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The Pep myth

AC Mack said:
He's moulded some of the best sides the world has seen. He's played a big part in revolutionising modern football.

Still not enough for some.
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the question is how hard is it revolutionise football with the players and the money he’s had !

Its entirely possible to say that there hasnt been a manager in the game ever that has had the players and money that he has and i know the easy argument is that he’s either earned it or deserved it but thats a bit of a cop out !

For me as I’ve said until he goes somewhere and achieves something out of the ordinary then there’ll always be a question mark over him !

Mike Bassett may well have achieved nearly as much Pep over his time with his clubs with the players and money he’s had
 

Toronado said:
the question is how hard is it revolutionise football with the players and the money he’s had !

Its entirely possible to say that there hasnt been a manager in the game ever that has had the players and money that he has and i know the easy argument is that he’s either earned it or deserved it but thats a bit of a cop out !

For me as I’ve said until he goes somewhere and achieves something out of the ordinary then there’ll always be a question mark over him !

Mike Bassett may well have achieved nearly as much Pep over his time with his clubs with the players and money he’s had
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If it's that straightforward then why couldn't Pellegrini do it before him, or Mancini, Hughes or Eriksson? Why couldn't Rijkaard, Enrique, Valverde, Koeman and others achieve to the same level as Guardiola at Barcelona?

He's the best of the best, and doesn't have to prove himself on a wet and windy Wednesday in Stoke.
 
AC Mack said:
If it's that straightforward then why couldn't Pellegrini do it before him, or Mancini, Hughes or Eriksson? Why couldn't Rijkaard, Enrique, Valverde, Koeman and others achieve to the same level as Guardiola at Barcelona?

He's the best of the best, and doesn't have to prove himself on a wet and windy Wednesday in Stoke.
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I’m not saying he’s not a cery good manager he obviously is but the managers you mentioned at City especially had an increasingly quality and deep squad to play with Mancini won a PL, Pellegrini won a PL and its took Pep 7 years to achieve more than that yet he’s the best ever ?!

Hughes and Erikson arent equatable and cant be used in your argument surely

In terms of Spain Enrique won both champions league and multiple la liga’s, Valverde won la liga’s at a similar level of success to Pep and Koeman flunked but again thats not a great strengthener of your position surely
 
Toronado said:
I’m not saying he’s not a cery good manager he obviously is but the managers you mentioned at City especially had an increasingly quality and deep squad to play with Mancini won a PL, Pellegrini won a PL and its took Pep 7 years to achieve more than that yet he’s the best ever ?!

Hughes and Erikson arent equatable and cant be used in your argument surely

In terms of Spain Enrique won both champions league and multiple la liga’s, Valverde won la liga’s at a similar level of success to Pep and Koeman flunked but again thats not a great strengthener of your position surely
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How has it taken him seven years to achieve more? Pellegrini and Mancini won one Premier League, Guardiola has won five.

Enrique won 2 La Ligas and 1 Champions League, Valverde won 2 La Ligas, Guardiola won 3 La Ligas and 2 Champions Leagues. He also revolutionised the modern game during that time. So yes, of course it's a strengthener.

I'd read back your own argument before suggesting I can't mention Hughes or Eriksson.
 
AC Mack said:
How has it taken him seven years to achieve more? Pellegrini and Mancini won one Premier League, Guardiola has won five.

Enrique won 2 La Ligas and 1 Champions League, Valverde won 2 La Ligas, Guardiola won 3 La Ligas and 2 Champions Leagues. He also revolutionised the modern game during that time. So yes, of course it's a strengthener.

I'd read back your own argument before suggesting I can't mention Hughes or Eriksson.
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Winning the Premier League given the competition, money and players hasnt been the biggest of challenges really has it ? And by more i mean winning the champions league

Mancini and Pellegrini didnt get 7 years they had 3/4 years

And the stage of development in the club that Hughes and Erikson were in charge of are irrelevant to what the club are now and Pep christ one of the got blasted 8-1 by Boro
 
AC Mack said:
If it's that straightforward then why couldn't Pellegrini do it before him, or Mancini, Hughes or Eriksson? Why couldn't Rijkaard, Enrique, Valverde, Koeman and others achieve to the same level as Guardiola at Barcelona?

He's the best of the best, and doesn't have to prove himself on a wet and windy Wednesday in Stoke.
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But if he did, he'd crush them.
 
Toronado said:
Winning the Premier League given the competition, money and players hasnt been the biggest of challenges really has it ? And by more i mean winning the champions league

Mancini and Pellegrini didnt get 7 years they had 3/4 years

And the stage of development in the club that Hughes and Erikson were in charge of are irrelevant to what the club are now and Pep christ one of the got blasted 8-1 by Boro
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They got less time because it was clear to anyone with eyes that Guardiola was/is better than them. And Pellegrini and Mancini are very good in their own right. Them winning the Premier League was a top achievement for them and the club - Guardiola can do it with his eyes closed.

The only argument against him seems to be that he gets a ton of money. Loads of managers have either failed or barely scraped success with their fortunes, yet Guardiola moulds his players and team into an irresistible force. He's a generational talent.
 
Red and white TID said:
All Grealish does is fall over and play 2 touch, I think he has gone backwards under Pep, as good as the manager is.
Love PG but the Inter coach deserves all the plaudits last night tbf, there isn’t one Inter player who would get in City team, but for one deflected cross, a great finish from Rodri and awful finishing by Inter Pep wouldn’t have his treble.
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So apart from shite finishing at one end and a good finish from the defensive midfielder at the other end when city eventually created a good chance, and a whole 90 mins to score against eachother (goals win games ), u are arguing for the thread title (the pep myth ) ??
Man City we’re far from their best in that final but never really looked in trouble and played as bad as I can remember for a long time yet still won the game.

Even if they’d lost v inter. It does t change what he’s done for football.
He’s brought a style of football that many predicted would never work in England and ended up with arguably the best side and style of play that English football has ever seen.
 
Yes he is a good coach, but still has much to prove. The city project is not his finest hour, that Barcelona team of around 2007-2010 was immense
 
There is no 'myth' about Guardiola, he's the best coach out there by a considerable distance, his record speaks for itself. And the money argument holds no water either. It's an enabler, certainly, but a not finaliser. If cash is king why are a host of other clubs who have spent millions not on Man City's coat-tails? Using the money argument Chelsea should have won the league last season, not finished twelfth.
 
Toronado said:
Winning the Premier League given the competition, money and players hasnt been the biggest of challenges really has it ? And by more i mean winning the champions league

Mancini and Pellegrini didnt get 7 years they had 3/4 years

And the stage of development in the club that Hughes and Erikson were in charge of are irrelevant to what the club are now and Pep christ one of the got blasted 8-1 by Boro
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When Guardiola took over Barca they were a bit of a mess. The squad was aging and the big names were at the end of their careers. He came in and got rid of some players and brought in younger players.

Xavi and Iniesta weren't in the starting XI because they were considered too small and too alike to play together. He played the 2 of them together with a youth team player called Busquets. The 3 of them created the best midfield we have seen. In his first season he won the treble.

Man City won titles before he came but weren't really consistent or great. He has turned them into a dominant team who are probably the best side in the world.
 
When the poster wrote the OP I was probably in agreement with him. The last few years have completely changed my opinion of the bloke though. The bloke is an absolute top top class coach. He's been incredible to watch really - he's changed football.
 
Pep is clearly a great coach - anyone arguing te other way is a moron - the sad thing though is that due to money the likes of Stein or Clough doing what they did has gone and for that the game is the loser
 
AC Mack said:
If it's that straightforward then why couldn't Pellegrini do it before him, or Mancini, Hughes or Eriksson? Why couldn't Rijkaard, Enrique, Valverde, Koeman and others achieve to the same level as Guardiola at Barcelona?

He's the best of the best, and doesn't have to prove himself on a wet and windy Wednesday in Stoke.
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Enrique win the treble at Barcelona. Rijkaard won the CL, League and Super Cup in the same season.
 
Toronado said:
the question is how hard is it revolutionise football with the players and the money he’s had !

Its entirely possible to say that there hasnt been a manager in the game ever that has had the players and money that he has and i know the easy argument is that he’s either earned it or deserved it but thats a bit of a cop out !

For me as I’ve said until he goes somewhere and achieves something out of the ordinary then there’ll always be a question mark over him !

Mike Bassett may well have achieved nearly as much Pep over his time with his clubs with the players and money he’s had
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In his first year at Barça he took over a team that finished the previous season 18 points behind Madrid in the league and won the treble. I would say that is quite an achievement.
 
JL1985 said:
Enrique win the treble at Barcelona. Rijkaard won the CL, League and Super Cup in the same season.
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Good achievements from talented managers.

Guardiola won 3 La Ligas, 2 Copa Del Reys, 2 Champions Leagues, 2 UEFA Super Cups, 2 Club World Cups.
 
AC Mack said:
Good achievements from talented managers.

Guardiola won 3 La Ligas, 2 Copa Del Reys, 2 Champions Leagues, 2 UEFA Super Cups, 2 Club World Cups.
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Enrique was well on the way to matching Pep but quit to maximise the time he had with his sick daughter who sadly died.
 
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