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The Pep myth


mediaclee said:
Well he’s only spent 400 million on defence and keepers in 5/6 years, still can’t figure out how not to ship 6 goals over 2 legs in Europe.

He’s the master of domestic dominance, the attacking sequences and possession football is matched by none (worldwide). But as soon as the serious, real pressure of European knockout football with his 400 million pound defence comes around, suddenly the passing game doesn’t win the trophy.

Must adapt in Europe.
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That's a fair point that they beat domestic teams but fail in Europe. But there's a strange thing.
Last season they won the league and reached the final no bother but lost to a team from the same league. In 2018 they won the league but got knocked out the champions league by a team from the same league. 2019 won the league but got knocked out the champions league by a team from the same league.

So he's dominant against teams from his own league but loses to them in European competition.
Losf 3 European ties to English teams, 3 to foreign opposition (Monaco, Lyon and Real Madrid)
 
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Mansour: Pep, I gave you a billion quid and you promised me a Champions league! That’s all I asked for!

@What A Waster: *insert X amount of PL and other domestic trophies won*

Mansour: Pellegrini and Mancini already got me all of those, for an absolute fraction of the cash!

*Mansour takes Pep and @What A Waster into the consulate to never be seen again*
 
Laidback Jack said:
Nobody mentioned full-backs.

They missed a hell of a load of chances. I said nowhere that they struggled, but at the business end of the CL you need to be clinical. City weren't. They had chances to kill the game off at 1-0 and failed.

You can try and tighten up the the back but Guardiola has always been an offensive minded manager first and foremost.
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Man City don't struggle for goals. They create enough chances to win games. Not all shots result in goals. Same as any team.
 
Man City without a world class centre forward scored 5 goals against Real Madrid over two legs.

Liverpool with arguably 1 world class centre forward scored 5 goals against Villareal over two legs.

City conceded 6. Liverpool conceded 2.

Without doubt city played against a stronger opponent.

Attacking isn't the problem for Man City.
 
What A Waster said:
Man City without a world class centre forward scored 5 goals against Real Madrid over two legs.

Liverpool with arguably 1 world class centre forward scored 5 goals against Villareal over two legs.

City conceded 6. Liverpool conceded 2.

Without doubt city played against a stronger opponent.

Attacking isn't the problem for Man City.
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It’s quite straightforward.

Klopp is the better manager.
 
What A Waster said:
Why do you think that?
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Transformed Liverpool, spending a lot less than City.

Has now got Liverpool to 3 Champions League finals, and has them in two other domestic cup finals all while challenging for the title. At Dortmund he had to compete with the powerhouse of Bayern and came out on top.

I think Pep is a great coach, but Klopp is better.
 
Frankel said:
Transformed Liverpool, spending a lot less than City.

Has now got Liverpool to 3 Champions League finals, and has them in two other domestic cup finals all while challenging for the title. At Dortmund he had to compete with the powerhouse of Bayern and came out on top.

I think Pep is a great coach, but Klopp is better.
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Klopp has definitely done more with less. Don't think that is even up for debate.
 
Ciro_DiMarzio said:
Let's face it. It is between him and Klopp who are the best managers in world football at the minute.

Plenty managers coming through who could surpass them but at this point they are the best.
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Who do you think could surpass them from the new breed?

Not being facetious just interested who you think has that potential
 
What A Waster said:
Who do you think could surpass them from the new breed?

Not being facetious just interested who you think has that potential
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No idea to be honest. There will be managers I haven't heard of yet who will end up being elite. I thing Ten Hags appointment is exciting. Could go tits up like Villas Boas or he could live up to the hype.
 
Ciro_DiMarzio said:
No idea to be honest. There will be managers I haven't heard of yet who will end up being elite. I thing Ten Hags appointment is exciting. Could go tits up like Villas Boas or he could live up to the hype.
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There’s not a manager I want to succeed more than Erik. But nah man, why make me think of AVB Ciro man :(
 
What A Waster said:
Man City don't struggle for goals. They create enough chances to win games. Not all shots result in goals. Same as any team.
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They scored less than Real despite having nearly double the chances. Unless you play tight football the games are more likely to be open (few teams do it at the top Atleti aside) it's always gunna be a case of taking chances. City didn't tonight.

Grealish puts either of his away, Foden header... there you go.

They were also naive as a team mind. When Real scored the first, they had momentum in the game and the crowd was up. City gifted them the ball straight back. They should have slowed the game right down and used a bit from the Simeone textbook
 
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Frankel said:
Transformed Liverpool, spending a lot less than City.

Has now got Liverpool to 3 Champions League finals, and has them in two other domestic cup finals all while challenging for the title. At Dortmund he had to compete with the powerhouse of Bayern and came out on top.

I think Pep is a great coach, but Klopp is better.
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Cant disagree with what he's done so far. Done more with less. In 2018 they reached a champions league final and arguably punching above their weight.
Since then they're challenging for all the cups or titles..Maybe not title last season when they needed a goalkeepers goal to secure champions league football.
There hasn't been that dip in a single season with a Guardiola team. The standards are set and that's where they are. His worst ever league finish is 3rd. Impeccable.
But with Klopp Liverpool are no longer the plucky underdog. With 75 million quid defenders and goalkeepers they're with the big lads. Early on his work to get them there is very good. But they're one of the big two now. Nobody else is close.

I've just realised this is becoming Messi v Ronaldo. And i think both are incredible. Guardiola anr Klopp. Messi and Ronaldo. Equally good and for different reasons.

I only got in on this thread because i thought peoole were incorrect in diminishing his achievements, didn't even mention his influence globally. But now it's became Klopp vs Guardiola and they're both great but I've got sucked in to the argument where one is great and one is shite.
So I'll bow out.
Guardioa and Klopp are the best two managers in the world.
 
They’ve literally just lost a champions league semi final 6-5 on aggregate in one of the best champions league semi finals ever from 2 absolutely outstanding teams 🤣🤣
 
Laidback Jack said:
They scored less than Real despite having nearly double the chances. Unless you play tight football the games are more likely to be open (few teams do it at the top Atleti aside) it's always gunna be a case of taking chances. City didn't tonight.

Grealish puts either of his away, Foden header... there you go.

They were also naive as a team mind. When Real scored the first, they had momentum in the game and the crowd was up. City gifted them the ball straight back. They should have slowed the game right down and used a bit from the Simeone textbook
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If only you were on the bench in Madrid to advise pep.
 
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