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The Hundred - Free tickets

Voice of fair play said:
Hway mate, although of course it was well after 2002 there was posters on here always having a go at T20.

You know that as well as me, at least have the good grace to admit it.

Remember having one particular debate years ago saying it should not be happening because they were not wearing whites!

My claim that people did not want T20 is no way near as absurd as you saying people don’t want test cricket and furthermore I suspect you know that!

Of course I respect your over all view as been a county cricket fan the damage this could do to county cricket and have empathy towards loyal fans like yourself of county cricket.

But at the end of the day my concern is club cricket, something needs to be done to stop the slide of clubs folding struggling to get sides out.

The hundred may not be the answer as very difficult to stop that slide, but me personally I am pleased something is been tried.
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I thought you were on about before it has started, so way back in 2002. You can't really say that, as we weren't here. People criticising something they've already seen is counter to your point about slagging off the 16.4, no? (As far a my opinion goes....I'll make a point of watching Durham and England T20, by extension watch tournaments they are in, but ignore the rest of it. Watching pointless games of smack the ball as hard as you can between two interchangeable franchises is, to me a least, the very definition of pointless blandness).

Anyway, not to worry.

I'm a cricket fan, my concerns are about all forms of cricket. The sheer amount of backing this sham is receiving is to the detriment of all other cricket already. The demise of the 50 over domestic game is the single most ridiculous thing I think I've ever seen any sporting governing body do, anywhere, ever. Telling the current fanbase that they aren't wanted in the new game comes a close second.

If it's a success then it will be the end on a lot of it, no professional cricket in the north east. No pathway to take the game up professionally will destroy a lot of club cricket. These parasite franchises don't even have a pathway to developing players.
 

Steak Pie said:
The difference though, is that the Super League was to be another layer on top. It wasn't designed to put Sunderland out of business. The 16.4 is actively designed to destroy Durham.

Also, they weren't insisting that Sunderland stop playing for a month in the middle of the season, and they weren't planning to nick our players.

I do find it amusing that the defence of this is that the tens of millions being sucked out of the game, and removing cricket from half the country, will - somehow - end up with more money being invested in grass roots cricket and then more participation off the back of that. Its an insane bit of logic.

I hope it fails, and as quickly as possible so the damage is limited, and hope everyone backing it is suitably ashamed. But I fear the worst.
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It’s not insane at all. Kids are attracted by local clubs (All Stars) and cricket on TV/ YouTube. Durham won’t have a team for the next month - bar the watered down RL50 - but the sport will be more accessible to juniors up here than it has been for 15 years.
 
NorthCountryBoy said:
It’s not insane at all. Kids are attracted by local clubs (All Stars) and cricket on TV/ YouTube. Durham won’t have a team for the next month - bar the watered down RL50 - but the sport will be more accessible to juniors up here than it has been for 15 years.
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Once again: Nothing which couldn't have been done within the county structure for a fraction of the cost. Less reach, more cost. Insanity.

Round in circles......
 
Steak Pie said:
I thought you were on about before it has started, so way back in 2002. You can't really say that, as we weren't here. People criticising something they've already seen is counter to your point about slagging off the 16.4, no? (As far a my opinion goes....I'll make a point of watching Durham and England T20, by extension watch tournaments they are in, but ignore the rest of it. Watching pointless games of smack the ball as hard as you can between two interchangeable franchises is, to me a least, the very definition of pointless blandness).

Anyway, not to worry.

I'm a cricket fan, my concerns are about all forms of cricket. The sheer amount of backing this sham is receiving is to the detriment of all other cricket already. The demise of the 50 over domestic game is the single most ridiculous thing I think I've ever seen any sporting governing body do, anywhere, ever. Telling the current fanbase that they aren't wanted in the new game comes a close second.

If it's a success then it will be the end on a lot of it, no professional cricket in the north east. No pathway to take the game up professionally will destroy a lot of club cricket. These parasite franchises don't even have a pathway to developing players.
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We so far apart mate we will have to agree to disagree.

Cricket was thriving massively in the North East at club level before professional cricket was here so don’t see it as necessary to see club cricket to thrive at all.

I also see games in the IPL for instance where the top players in the world are pitting their skills against each other as highly entertaining skillful cricket.

This has brought on excellent new skills to the game, such as players been able score 360 degrees around the wicket, bowlers increasing their slower balls, Yorkers etc and some of the fielding skills now developed in T20 has gone to a whole new level.

Whether traditional cricket fans admit it or not, watching the likes of Hameed and Sibley grinding out runs may will be appreciated by those fans, but will simply not attract new people to the game that is badly needed!!
 
Voice of fair play said:
We so far apart mate we will have to agree to disagree.

Cricket was thriving massively in the North East at club level before professional cricket was here so don’t see it as necessary to see club cricket to thrive at all.

I also see games in the IPL for instance where the top players in the world are pitting their skills against each other as highly entertaining skillful cricket.

This has brought on excellent new skills to the game, such as players been able score 360 degrees around the wicket, bowlers increasing their slower balls, Yorkers etc and some of the fielding skills now developed in T20 has gone to a whole new level.

Whether traditional cricket fans admit it or not, watching the likes of Hameed and Sibley grinding out runs may will be appreciated by those fans, but will simply not attract new people to the game that is badly needed!!
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Bodies of all sports - even football - say the same. You can't compare the world now to pre internet days.

Anyway, yes agree to disagree. Enjoy the 16.4 mate, I hope it's shit. And it rains. :D
 
Voice of fair play said:
We so far apart mate we will have to agree to disagree.

Cricket was thriving massively in the North East at club level before professional cricket was here so don’t see it as necessary to see club cricket to thrive at all.

I also see games in the IPL for instance where the top players in the world are pitting their skills against each other as highly entertaining skillful cricket.

This has brought on excellent new skills to the game, such as players been able score 360 degrees around the wicket, bowlers increasing their slower balls, Yorkers etc and some of the fielding skills now developed in T20 has gone to a whole new level.

Whether traditional cricket fans admit it or not, watching the likes of Hameed and Sibley grinding out runs may will be appreciated by those fans, but will simply not attract new people to the game that is badly needed!!
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Which is why I find it annoying the ECB don't promote the blast as well as they should or let england players play a good part of it. IPL wouldn't be anywhere near as big if kohli played the same amount of games for RCB as stokes has had for Durham in the blast. We already had the product to attract new/young fans, just not the leadership to exploit that
 
NorthCountryBoy said:
It’s not insane at all. Kids are attracted by local clubs (All Stars) and cricket on TV/ YouTube. Durham won’t have a team for the next month - bar the watered down RL50 - but the sport will be more accessible to juniors up here than it has been for 15 years.
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What? By having to travel 80 odd miles to get to watch it in the flesh? Not likely man.
Voice of fair play said:
Cricket was thriving massively in the North East at club level before professional cricket was here so don’t see it as necessary to see club cricket to thrive at all.
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It’s a generational thing. Nothing whatsoever to do with having or not having a county cricket club on our door step. Grassroots football is having the exact same problem despite you trying to suggest earlier it’s thriving - it isn’t.

However what has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt is that there’s now ten times (if not more) the chance of a local lad playing for England than before Durham became a first class county.

What do you think inspires kids more?
 
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Voice of fair play said:
I simply have seen club cricket participation get worse and worse year after year and that is my primary concern.

That is fact not opinion.

Something needs to be done to turn the tide, whether the hundred changes that tide is probably doubtful.

As it is hard enough these days made even harder by people slaughtering the hundred before it’s even started!

It’s simple for me club cricket more important than county cricket.

I have said before and will say it again the very people praising T20 were the ones heavily slaughtering it when it first arrived.

If they had their way we would not even have had T20 cricket which without a doubt has been a success
T20 apparently was ‘hit and giggle’ pyjama cricket, ‘ not proper cricket’

Now when it suits it’s great and wonderful
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Why is that?

I can only speak to my generation who were 12 come the 2005 Ashes.

We played loads of Kwik cricket in middle school in PE every summer. We had tournaments with loads of schools. I've still got me t shirt cap from the Northumberland youth games.

Still fit as they gave us adult sized clothing!!

Those four years backed up by the amazingness of the ashes in 2005 created a buzz that saw loads rush to junior teams around Northumberland.

I would play cricket more at break times then in lessons for my 5 years at high school. So that buzz didn't grip everyone as hard as it could.

My guess it that cricket doesn't get played at all now in most schools at that pre 13 age. Then they can't build on that interest with the ease of watching on TV. So other things dominate kids time.

Now most of the lads I played with back then. Some still do play senior cricket.

I absolutely love cricket watching cricket. But I've dropped in and out of playing senior cricket for the past decade.

The reason is it takes all day and is largely boring unless your a decent batter or bowler.

Young people of the ages 16-18 would rather be doing much more fun things. Have to get cricket into people early or its game over.

I never went to watch a game until I was about 15. I had a season ticket at Sunderland from 6.

Cricket being a harder game perhaps makes it more difficult for kids to get into also perhaps.
 
Steak Pie said:
The difference though, is that the Super League was to be another layer on top. It wasn't designed to put Sunderland out of business. The 16.4 is actively designed to destroy Durham.

Also, they weren't insisting that Sunderland stop playing for a month in the middle of the season, and they weren't planning to nick our players.
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That's perfectly fair however surely that proves my point more that contradicts it, in terms of why the hell has everyone from people in ftecb to chairmen to media to players to all of us just rolled over and accepted it as the way forward?
smoker said:
As I say on all these threads, why didn't FTECB simply promote the Blast properly, and put it on free to air TV?
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haway man, be reasonably how can you have expected ftecb to properly promote the t20 in a year LITERALLY CALLED 2020 and the 50 over competition right after england won the world cup?
Voice of fair play said:
I simply have seen club cricket participation get worse and worse year after year and that is my primary concern.

That is fact not opinion.

Something needs to be done to turn the tide, whether the hundred changes that tide is probably doubtful.

As it is hard enough these days made even harder by people slaughtering the hundred before it’s even started!

It’s simple for me club cricket more important than county cricket.

I have said before and will say it again the very people praising T20 were the ones heavily slaughtering it when it first arrived.

If they had their way we would not even have had T20 cricket which without a doubt has been a success
T20 apparently was ‘hit and giggle’ pyjama cricket, ‘ not proper cricket’

Now when it suits it’s great and wonderful
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i just can't see the logic of replacing an existing system spread around the country, what you say is true about participation and money is tight at the top. they could have spread a fraction of this cost to really empower the existing domestic game. will youngters in the north east, cornwall, kent etc etc be more enthused to play locally now their nearest team is 100-200 miles away instead of 10-20 miles?

i don't like t20 as a format, but i can admit it has been a success. and yes, it's likely it would have been even if the powers that be had invested as much effort making existing formats exciting. i don't see anywhere else in the world needing to rework the framework of cricket for the 16.4 and you can't convince me that t20 (already successful) and all other domestic formats INCLUDING club cricket wouldn't be far better served by a strong and successful county game, rather than 8 city teams across the country

maybe it'll be a success, but as @Steak Pie says this system is designed to replace the existing one, alienating ALL existing cricket lovers in this country with a county allegiance. the t20 was integrated in and whlst i don't care to watch durham's t20 progress i do support them in any format. will i ever support the leeds-yorkshire tea-elephants or whatever they're called? will i, balls.
NorthCountryBoy said:
It’s not insane at all. Kids are attracted by local clubs (All Stars) and cricket on TV/ YouTube. Durham won’t have a team for the next month - bar the watered down RL50 - but the sport will be more accessible to juniors up here than it has been for 15 years.
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i mean this is the definition of having your cake and eat in in terms of an argument - if the t20 and 16.4 hadn't been introduced there wouldn't have been this huge gap in cricket during the best summer months
 
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NorthCountryBoy said:
It’s not insane at all. Kids are attracted by local clubs (All Stars) and cricket on TV/ YouTube. Durham won’t have a team for the next month - bar the watered down RL50 - but the sport will be more accessible to juniors up here than it has been for 15 years.
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How exactly? Accessible 70 miles away for the 16.4. And AllStars has been around for years. Kids taste but few stay. It's the way it is.
 
Parkside said:
Kids taste but few stay.
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My daughter wanted to keep playing but was met with indifference from her local club. No invite to return, texted organiser, told we needed to fill out the forms, asked for the forms, forms never sent, ad infinitum till we gave up.
 
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brandon said:
If you’re on about the ‘bribe’ we were, it was in the public domain that counties would be given ‘hush’ money.
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Yeah I'm aware we were given some money but it wasn't clear how much.

I'm more interested to know who is paying the wages of Raine, Potts, Carse, Franlin and Killeen for the next few weeks.
 
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