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The Hundred 2023

Steak Pie said:
What's the point in criticising anything? Probably none.

What's the point in popping on a thread to 'basically bait people' who are critical of the 16.4? Also none.

Dom Sibley is not the only alternative, there's cricket for everyone.

You can't say that 100 balls is shit and then criticise me for saying its nonsense. :D

I think we're agreed that the format is cricket-ish bullshit, and I also think we're agreed that robbing half the country of cricket in the holidays is a disgraceful idea. The difference is that you're prepared to support it, I'm not.

Tens of millions taken out of the sport for this crap, heartbreaking.
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We don’t agree with the core principle that we should have a short format tournament in peak time in a designated window i.e the school holidays.

Australia have one,India have one, Pakistan, South Africa etc etc

It is not sustainable to do that with 18 teams

Cricket needs to evolve and there is to much people set in their ways.

This debate is not about ‘ The Hundred’ for me it’s about dragging people into what is required for cricket in the modern world.

Christ a lot of people did not want T20 as called it ‘hit and giggle’ and ‘ pyjama cricket’ for years and had many a debate praising that at the time.

Such is the the backwards way in which some look at cricket

amazingly now after such a brilliant transformation of our test team you still have people saying they prefer ‘ proper cricket’ over Bazball whatever proper cricket is, in another example of outdated thinking.

The hundred has it faults first to admit it,the main one not spreading it geographically enough.

But if we think watching county championship games in mid August is a way to get kids and families to firstly go and secondly to get hooked on the game we living in cloud cuckoo land.

Where tournaments like ‘ The Hundred’ granted with some needed changes might just do that.
mackembhoy said:
I'm 30 years old. Cricket was the countries second sport in 2005.

An entire generation of kids fell in love with cricket cos it was on terrestrial TV.

The ECB have decimated participation by sticking it behind a paywall. They decided to finally getting rid of the paywall for a competition that isn't even applicable to other forms of cricket.

I can't see how these new fans they are set to pull in will watch the cricket world cup in just over a month's time. Going to have to learn a whole new set of rules. So what purpose does it serve.

The ECB have wasted all their cash reserves on a competition that didn't need to be created however you dress it up. Whether you like it or not

Also @PeteFTM yep Mott has picked Atkinson solely from the 12 overs he's bowled in this competition.

Which seeing the bowling SRs in the competition will absolutely zero bearing on how people will fare in an actual 20/50 over games. Were gonna win the world cup easily if all our bowlers can have 9 SRs and take 5/6 wicket hauls a game. Almost like it's not anywhere resembling actual cricket.
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The ECB went too far agreeably by changing the format from 20 overs and naming it The hundred and not spreading it wide enough.

A English premier league 20 overs in school holidays with 10 teams with another from the North East and South West would have be fine.

Having every game as an event itself, every game live on telly would have been fine for me.

I do agree it’s sad that the second most popular sport in this country is behind a paywall as love the game so very difficult to disagree with that single point.
But then again our most popular sport in this country is behind a paywall too.
 
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Voice of fair play said:
We don’t agree with the core principle that we should have a short format tournament in peak time in a designated window i.e the school holidays.

Australia have one,India have one, Pakistan, South Africa etc etc

It is not sustainable to do that with 18 teams

Cricket needs to evolve and there is to much people set in their ways.

This debate is not about ‘ The Hundred’ for me it’s about dragging people into what is required for cricket in the modern world.

Christ a lot of people did not want T20 as called it ‘hit and giggle’ and ‘ pyjama cricket’ for years and had many a debate praising that at the time.

Such is the the backwards way in which some look at cricket

amazingly now after such a brilliant transformation of our test team you still have people saying they prefer ‘ proper cricket’ over Bazball whatever proper cricket is, in another example of outdated thinking.

The hundred has it faults first to admit it,the main one not spreading it geographically enough.

But if we think watching county championship games in mid August is a way to get kids and families to firstly go and secondly to get hooked on the game we living in cloud cuckoo land.

Where tournaments like ‘ The Hundred’ granted with some needed changes might just do that.
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The Blast makes money, both when it was a single tournament and now spread out over the season. With little to no backing from the ECB.

So to say its not sustainable with 18 teams is a straight lie. Not opinion, a provable lie.

Remember a couple of years ago when the CC was under threat because the test team was struggling? Noted gobshites like Pietersen and Flintoff were saying we had to cut the number of teams? Don't hear that now because the test team is doing well. The CC hasn't changed in the last 2 years, it always was an excellent competition.

And if you don't think the CC is a route into the game then you've never seen schools and holiday clubs spending an afternoon at the ground while the game is on. Having a net, meeting the players, all while watching the game in the background. Getting hooked on the game, for little to no cost. All gone now.

I believe attendances for the 16.4 are around 10-15% more than the Blast equivalent in the 8 franchise venues. Of course, attendances are 100% down in the other 10 grounds.

So you aren't getting more people through the gate, you're getting less. And that's despite this being more heavily advertised than all other cricket combined. It's a disgrace.
 
Steak Pie said:
The Blast makes money, both when it was a single tournament and now spread out over the season. With little to no backing from the ECB.

So to say its not sustainable with 18 teams is a straight lie. Not opinion, a provable lie.

Remember a couple of years ago when the CC was under threat because the test team was struggling? Noted gobshites like Pietersen and Flintoff were saying we had to cut the number of teams? Don't hear that now because the test team is doing well. The CC hasn't changed in the last 2 years, it always was an excellent competition.

And if you don't think the CC is a route into the game then you've never seen schools and holiday clubs spending an afternoon at the ground while the game is on. Having a net, meeting the players, all while watching the game in the background. Getting hooked on the game, for little to no cost. All gone now.

I believe attendances for the 16.4 are around 10-15% more than the Blast equivalent in the 8 franchise venues. Of course, attendances are 100% down in the other 10 grounds.

So you aren't getting more people through the gate, you're getting less. And that's despite this being more heavily advertised than all other cricket combined. It's a disgrace.
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We clearly miles apart on this I don’t dispute you genuinely believe and support your view and passionately support it.

I passionately support mine.

A lot of people didn’t even want ‘The Blast’ such was the way of thinking of some fans.

I was the biggest defender of it on here for years as it brought the game forward and have loved it ever year.

I don’t dispute that some kids are at CC games in the past, but surely you can see watching a colorful short form game with big hitting and fast paced will attract more kids to the game in the school holidays then sitting all day in a slow paced game.

We we need is more participation at club level and people able to watch a live game, every day with it been an event itself during the school holidays is miles more likely imo to attract new fans to the game than CC games in the same designated window.

If we going to start to talk about the test team Ironically the test team has now started to be successful and miles more entertaining then ever before by picking players who play attacking shots that some have developed during white ball cricket, rather than your Hameed’s and Sibley’s who were doing well in the CC. Which like I say I find ironic when all I heard on here for a while was tournaments like T20 and The Hundred were no good as players had lost the art to ‘ build an innings’ and our test team would suffer because of it!!

Gone extremely quiet on that front;)
With The Blast by the way I didn’t mean it not sustainable financially as you right it is.

I meant you could not have a school holiday tournament in that window with 18 teams
 
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Voice of fair play said:
We clearly miles apart on this I don’t dispute you genuinely believe and support your view and passionately support it.

I passionately support mine.

A lot of people didn’t even want ‘The Blast’ such was the way of thinking of some fans.

I was the biggest defender of it on here for years as it brought the game forward and have loved it ever year.

I don’t dispute that some kids are at CC games in the past, but surely you can see watching a colorful short form game with big hitting and fast paced will attract more kids to the game in the school holidays then sitting all day in a slow paced game.

We we need is more participation at club level and people able to watch a live game, every day with it been an event itself during the school holidays is miles more likely imo to attract new fans to the game than CC games in the same designated window.

If we going to start to talk about the test team Ironically the test team has now started to be successful and miles more entertaining then ever before by picking players who play attacking shots that some have developed during white ball cricket, rather than your Hameed’s and Sibley’s who were doing well in the CC. Which like I say I find ironic when all I heard on here for a while was tournaments like T20 and The Hundred were no good as players had lost the art to ‘ build an innings’ and our test team would suffer because of it!!

Gone extremely quiet on that front;)
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I like how you just ignore the points about less people watching and tens of millions lost from the game, and give us the same history lesson over again. Lovely stuff.

Hey ho, you will get your wish I'm sure. Hopefully the next Colly, Woody, Harmy or Stokes won't be lost to the sport because we killed professional cricket in the North.
 
Steak Pie said:
I like how you just ignore the points about less people watching and tens of millions lost from the game, and give us the same history lesson over again. Lovely stuff.

Hey ho, you will get your wish I'm sure. Hopefully the next Colly, Woody, Harmy or Stokes won't be lost to the sport because we killed professional cricket in the North.
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Personally don’t think they would be but that’s a different point and discussion altogether that has been done before.

And if they is less people watching it’s because rather than embracing change for the longevity of the game, people just want to twist and twist because their own team been left out of the party.

I remember when that debate happened many years ago you stated that Lancs with Stokes been from Cumbria had their eye on him before Durham stepped in.

But now he would be lost to the sport!!

Cricket was absolutely thriving massively in the North East area at club level when I was a kid and Durham was a minor county team at that that stage.

Sadly now with other modern day interests it’s shadow of what it once was at club level
 
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PeteFTM said:
It’s a very strange and petty thing to try and spin into a negative. He had a brilliant game.

It’s like you’ve been sitting waiting, ignoring players like Tongue, Johnson, Turner and Atkinson stealing the show and have finally picked a game that a veteran has got MOTM and jumped on it.

Very weird.
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I haven't seen much of Turner and Atkinson. Read a few articles about their rise to prominence, especially Atkinson overcoming his injury woes. Who do you think has what it takes to make the step up to the international stage? Any of them with proper 90mph pace?
 
Voice of fair play said:
Personally don’t think they would be but that’s a different point and discussion altogether that has been done before.

And if they is less people watching it’s because rather than embracing change for the longevity of the game, people just want to twist and twist because their own team been left out of the party.

I remember when that debate happened many years ago you stated that Lancs with Stokes been from Cumbria had their eye on him before Durham stepped in.

But now he would be lost to the sport!!

Cricket was absolutely thriving massively in the North East area at club level when I was a kid and Durham was a minor county team at that that stage.

Sadly now with other modern day interests it’s shadow of what it once was at club level
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Pretty legitimate reason to 'twist and twist' like.

But Lancs didn't take him though, he was very nearly lost to rugby league.
 
""Outdated thinking"-what an arrogant accusation. Does VoFP believe it's enlightened thinking to encourage youngsters to sit on their backsides being deafened by blairing music,flashing lighting which in normal situations viewers would be given advance warning and being encouraged to partake of wholly unhealthy snacks by the promoters. We have a serious issue with obesity amongst youngsters because of their sedentary lifestyle and unhealthy diet and 16.4 is promoting such a lifestyle
I'll stick to my outdated thinking.
 
Parkside said:
""Outdated thinking"-what an arrogant accusation. Does VoFP believe it's enlightened thinking to encourage youngsters to sit on their backsides being deafened by blairing music,flashing lighting which in normal situations viewers would be given advance warning and being encouraged to partake of wholly unhealthy snacks by the promoters. We have a serious issue with obesity amongst youngsters because of their sedentary lifestyle and unhealthy diet and 16.4 is promoting such a lifestyle
I'll stick to my outdated thinking.
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Hway man it’s not even funny anymore trying to find any possible angle to have a go, if a snack company was sponsoring Durham or Sunderland it wouldn’t bat an eyelid.

But because it’s another angle to have a go at a tournament you making a big deal of it.
 
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Voice of fair play said:
f***ing hell man if a snack company was sponsoring Durham or Sunderland you wouldn’t bat a eyelid.

But because it’s another angle to have a go at a tournament you making a big deal of it.
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You claim to know my line of thought on issues afaia you don't know me. Counter the argument I've given against 16.4. Does it promote a sedentary lifestyle and unhealthy diet amongst youngsters?
Is this not an important issue?
 
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Parkside said:
You claim to know my line of thought on issues afaia you don't know me. Counter the argument I've given against 16.4. Does it promote a sedentary lifestyle and unhealthy diet amongst youngsters?
Is this not an important issue?
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Of course it is not a good idea and of course it’s not ideal, and would not dream of disagreeing in principle and of course you right we should not be promoting children to eat unhealthy

However sports teams have been sponsoring betting companies, fizzy drinks companies, snack companies, beer companies etc etc for years and not heard a dicky bird of compliant on here about them.

Now all of a sudden it’s a big important issue and gets mentioned just to find another angle to have a go
Bamber said:
Ban Test Cricket immediately as that promotes sitting in a ground all day, for 5 days :eek:

This is going to be a close one again. Haway the Rockets
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Aye and stop all the beer sales it’s a terrible example to be pissed around children;)
 
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Voice of fair play said:
Of course it is not a good idea and of course it’s not ideal, and would not dream of disagreeing in principle.

However sports teams have been sponsoring betting companies, fizzy drinks companies, snack companies, beer companies etc etc for years and not heard a dicky bird of compliant on here about them.

Now all of a sudden it’s a big important issue and gets mentioned just to find another angle to have a go

Aye and stop all the beer sales it’s a terrible example to be pissed around children;)
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Imagine kids at the football :eek:

Funnily enough I remember my first Sunderland shirts, Scorpion Lager, Vaux Samson, Lambtons. I ended up a marathon runner 🏃‍♂️
 
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