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What is 'Victoria' - a film? a series?
A tv series about Queen Victoria. Jenna Coleman (Clara - saviour of the universe in Dr Who!) plays Victoria.
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What is 'Victoria' - a film? a series?
Season 4 avaialble today. Gillian Anderson playing Thatcher. Will be watching later.
The Thatcher part instantly got shut of my semi.
I think she's a brand new actress too. Better looking than Diana mind.
It’s weird but even though I was all team Diana at the time, she irritates the hell out of me now with her mannerisms and comes across as sly and manipulative. There again she was a teenager so it sort of goes with the territory, one minute all sweetness and light, the next the devil in disguise plotting god knows what mayhem.
She was too young for him, and he was too old for her. It’s a real shame.
I think it's fair to say Charles is an arsehole.
There is an episode in S3, Aberfan, if that doesn't touch you there is more iced water running through your veins than in Lizzy's.
No, I think he tried his best to love her but he already loved someone else. They both deserve our sympathy.
The Aberfan episode from S3 and the Michael Fagan one from S4 are the best episodes of their respective seasons and could be watched as standalone TV movies.
Overall I thought S4 was OK. Gillian Anderson was trying too hard with the Thatcher impersonation. Compare this to Jason Watkins' portrayal of Harold Wilson from S3 which was utterly believable. Best performance was easily Emma Corrin despite this being her first major role. She had some of Diana's looks and mannerisms spot on. Sometimes it helps casting an unknown actor as they have no previous baggage - I couldn't get out of my mind that Thatcher was Dana Scully. I don't know who the actor was but whoever played Dennis Thatcher also had him perfectly.
Lots of content to cover in S5 - the Windsor fire, several divorces, the Annus horribilis, Diana's death (sorry for the spoilers!), Mr Blair turning up and maybe the deaths of the Queen Mother and Margaret if they go that far.
I don't think Charles deserves my sympathy, personally.
I think they’ll probably go her golden jubilee, as they reversed the decision to cut it to 5 seasons and went back to 6.
If S4 ends late 80s, they’ll probably do what, 88-97, then 97-02?
I take your point. He could have just sealed the deal with Camilla though.A dad who didn’t particularly love him
Sent to a school in Scotland not cut out for him
Sent off to Wales when he was settled at Oxford.
Not being able to be with the woman he loved
Sure the confirmed season 6 a while back. 5 was the original plan though.is 5 not the last season ? I thought that was confirmed.
I think they’ll probably go her golden jubilee, as they reversed the decision to cut it to 5 seasons and went back to 6.
If S4 ends late 80s, they’ll probably do what, 88-97, then 97-02?
each to their own but i hugely sympathise with Charles. He’s been shat on continuously by his own close family.
A dad who didn’t particularly love him
Sent to a school in Scotland not cut out for him
Sent off to Wales when he was settled at Oxford.
Not being able to be with the woman he loved.
he’s a real tragic case and his resentment of it all was ultimately took out on Dianna. The whole tragic outcome could have so easily been avoided really.
is 5 not the last season ? I thought that was confirmed.
S4 ended at Christmas 1990.
If they do finish in 2002 with the Golden Jubilee or the QM's death then that would make a lot of sense. From memory, not a lot happens in the early 2000s until William/Kate come along and they've said that they don't want to go too recent.
This series, no doubt because it's coming more up to date, is getting a lot of criticism about its portrayal of characters and storyline. Personally I don't mind some dramatic license - the Royals' behaviour towards Thatcher, or Mountbatten penning a letter to Charles just before he goes off to his death, or Michael Fagan sitting on the Queen's bed. Of course there has to be some allowances in the name of drama, although some, such as Charles phoning Camilla daily and Diana forgetting to curtsy to the Queen were pushing it a bit.
The Crown creator defends decision to include historically unsubstantiated Charles plotline
No cos she wasn’t ‘good enough’ for him when they first met, then she was married ....I take your point. He could have just sealed the deal with Camilla though.
I cannot wait to watch Series 5 when it comes out now, when we get to see Imelda Staunton as Elizabeth and Jonathan Pryce as Phillip.