the chinese are lying
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Should be banning them markets an all. Disgusting.
dangermows
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Before they said it did.
Reopened them a few months later.
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You may well be right but everything else is a risk. It's not a western thing but a major issue with pigs and also domestic birds is that many cultures both eat them and live with them, vastly increasing the chance of a virus crossing over. TBH, one of the things that most virologists are amazed by is that it's a coronavirus that's caused a successful pandemic as they seemed to be under control.
r@mside
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I keep reading statements like this but they're never supported with evidence.
General Zod
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Evidently, but can you be a bit more specific? Approximate month & year if you may please
Indeed, many theories about the Spanish Flu settle on it coming from pigs in North America.
I think a lot of people assumed it would have been a flu pandemic, though I suppose in the grand scheme of things whilst this is a global pandemic of significant scale, it's not going to have a mortality rate anything like the Spanish Flu...thank god
Very true. Swine flu originated in Mexico (on a US industrialised pig 'farm' which gets through hundreds of thousands of pigs a year) and had its precursor in the US in the pig industry. One of the possible origins (it's disputed) of the 1918 flu was in Kansas, on a chicken farm. Not saying there's not a big problem in China, but zoonotic diseases aren't just a function of wet markets.
Ha, snap (see reply to @Arkle). But I read chickens.
There's an interesting speculation in this about small-scale farming moving out to what was traditionally 'wild' land leading to exposure to a richer viral fauna and a greater chance of cross-over with a diminished likelihood of resistance, as it's novel. No idea if it's true, but it's interesting.
Hopefully not. My worry is that it hits Africa big time. As an aside, Spanish flu came in three waves, an initial small one, the major killer and then a big "aftershock". I'm not sure the first one is appropriate but we have to be prepared for at least one major outbreak after it seems to be under control.
The Great MES
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I wonder if other countries follow suite by fiddling the figures just so that normality returns a bit quicker?
You may find the video 'Americapox' by CGP Grey on YouTube particularly interesting if you are interested in such things. He explores why Europeans brought many diseases with them, but why there were no novel diseases in the Americas.
Wise Man Says
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When winter comes, I expect.
India and Africa are extremely vulnerable. That's going to be a significant worry for the WHO.
Dadsarmy73
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There will be further waves, it’s how pandemics progress. This is why life will not get back to being “fully normal” for quite a while. Yes there will be a relaxation of restrictions at times followed by further enforcement. Yes sport etc will resume but behind closed doors, I honestly don’t think we will see any type of mass gatherings for at least a year.
We have to prepare and make sure these further waves are minor. I can see a scenario in 4 months time where people will (naturally) moan that restrictions are still in place even though cases have dropped, but we are going to have to realise that the reason cases have dropped isbecause these restrictions are in place.
Deer could be the next big scary one apparently.
Chronic wasting disease if that makes the jump.
Potential huge problem in USA and Canada.
Wise Man Says
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Countries with bad infrastructure/resources/organisation will be crippled by this IMO. There’s a leader in this week’s Economist about poor countries and the virus. Bleak stuff
Massive. One of their problems, speaking from experience of working on a WHO grant in the past, is that they can tend to be all mouth and no financial trousers.
Good read that.
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