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[the ashes] test 3. Manchester

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sonson said:
I'd say we've got two batsmen to reliably save us here, if Bell and KP are skittled then no-one after them is going to stay in long enough against an aggressive field.

So once again we're relying on one or two not just to post a total but to save the innings. This is why England aren't as good as people think they are. On paper we've got a good batting line up, but in reality we've only really got three at present who can play reliably well.
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Only bell has looked in nick
 
Go after them, would rather lose going for it than just waiting for wickets to come. Get them worried by getting runs
 
sonson said:
I'd say we've got two batsmen to reliably save us here, if Bell and KP are skittled then no-one after them is going to stay in long enough against an aggressive field.

So once again we're relying on one or two not just to post a total but to save the innings. This is why England aren't as good as people think they are. On paper we've got a good batting line up, but in reality we've only really got three at present who can play reliably well.
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You're loving this aren't you. England's problem isn't a lack of quality, our top 5 can stand up to anyone on their day, our problem is a lack of form from the 2 players who can anchor an innings, Cook and Trott. Both have had terrible series up until now and if either can remember how to bat between now and Friday will be the difference between 350 all out and 550-5.
 
Arkle said:
To be fair, KP was in the first innings and Root was at Lords.

If we had batting options equivalent to our bowling options, both Trott and Bairstow would be looking at a spell out of the side after this match.
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If you're looking to really compete at top level having a good knock once in a series should be a given rather than a notable occurrence.

The top six in this order can all hurt you hard on their day, no question, thing is when only one of them has their day and the other five don't support that you're rarely going to be putting the sort of score together to threaten a really good team. I'd say England only really managed to put together one impressive innings with the bat.

Fortunately Australia can't bat or bowl well enough to put sufficient pressure on but against a team who can bat and bowl we would have been 2-0 without question. Take one of Swann or Anderson away and this England team wouldn't win much playing as they have been this past two years.
 
Arkle said:
To be fair, KP was in the first innings and Root was at Lords.

If we had batting options equivalent to our bowling options, both Trott and Bairstow would be looking at a spell out of the side after this match.
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One good innings should be the norm from your top 6 batsmen. Being rank average for the rest of the series highlights a lack of form.

sonson said:
If you're looking to really compete at top level having a good knock once in a series should be a given rather than a notable occurrence.

The top six in this order can all hurt you hard on their day, no question, thing is when only one of them has their day and the other five don't support that you're rarely going to be putting the sort of score together to threaten a really good team. I'd say England only really managed to put together one impressive innings with the bat.

Fortunately Australia can't bat or bowl well enough to put sufficient pressure on but against a team who can bat and bowl we would have been 2-0 without question. Take one of Swann or Anderson away and this England team wouldn't win much playing as they have been this past two years.
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This
 
chelt_mackem said:
You're loving this aren't you. England's problem isn't a lack of quality, our top 5 can stand up to anyone on their day, our problem is a lack of form from the 2 players who can anchor an innings, Cook and Trott. Both have had terrible series up until now and if either can remember how to bat between now and Friday will be the difference between 350 all out and 550-5.
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Aye I'm loving watching England struggle against an absolutely mediocre Australia aye, loving watching them fail to secure the series after Australia shot themselves in the foot to remarkable effect in the first two tests.

England's problem is lack of quality. A sign of quality is the ability to perform reliably well. Being a technically good cricketer on your day is worse than being a technically good cricketer most innings, and England's top order is made up entirely of players who are excellent on their day but wobbly on any other occasion.

The stats are undeniable-on the basis of form the past few years England's batting line up is very much average. If England can't set the pace by getting out the other team in the low hundreds they don't have the capacity to either match the batting total or overtake it quickly enough unless they're against a poor team.
 
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Chappers said:
Go after them, would rather lose going for it than just waiting for wickets to come. Get them worried by getting runs
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The negative mindset of our batsmen creates doubt when playing shots.....weve come out today to try and defend and get the draw...Roles reversed and the aussies wouldda come out to bat to chase down the total...wheres that fuckin rain at :lol:
 
BIG BAZ said:
The negative mindset of our batsmen creates doubt when playing shots.....weve come out today to try and defend and get the draw...Roles reversed and the aussies wouldda come out to bat to chase down the total...wheres that fuckin rain at :lol:
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Need it :evil:
Terrible start
 
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