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We really need Broad back tomo.

You could put 5,000 rpm on a ball and it not turn an inch, or you could put 2,000 on one and it could turn square. Much more to do with the pitch than the revs.

But if conditions are exactly the same for two bowlers, and they pitch the ball in exactly the same spot the spinner bowling with the most revs has more chance of turning the ball.

Compton for Bell? Compton at 5

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England's day, just about.

Id have to agree. Although having lost the toss the Aussies will be more than happy at present, especially if Broad fails to recover.
 
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Erm, yes they do. :-?

Even when they're not making up overs lost due to rain/bad light? I can rarely remember more than 90 overs in a day.

But if conditions are exactly the same for two bowlers, and they pitch the ball in exactly the same spot the spinner bowling with the most revs has more chance of turning the ball.

And what's the odds of that?

The little protractor thing on Hawkeye to tell you how many degrees a ball has turned is much more useful.
 
And what's the odds of that?

The little protractor thing on Hawkeye to tell you how many degrees a ball has turned is much more useful.

I'm not defending the feature (its shite) but revs do make a difference, hence they try to put as many on the ball as possible.
 
I'm not defending the feature (its shite) but revs do make a difference, hence they try to put as many on the ball as possible.

Well yeah, which is why I think it would be good to use sparingly. But this stupid graphic popping up every ball is shite. It's like something on a Playstation game, for how you want your spinner to turn the ball :lol:
 
Well yeah, which is why I think it would be good to use sparingly. But this stupid graphic popping up every ball is shite. It's like something on a Playstation game, for how you want your spinner to turn the ball :lol:

It was piss poor like. Hopefully it will be gone shortly.
 
With Root opening and Bairstow in, our batting is far from as solid as people think it is. All it takes is failures from Cook and KP, then the Aussies to figure out Trott cannot resist flashing at a wide delivery and we arrive at 200ish all out.

This series could well be a bowl off, and very tight. Hope I'm wrong :neutral:
 
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We really need Broad back tomo.
Id have to agree. Although having lost the toss the Aussies will be more than happy at present, especially if Broad fails to recover.

long gone are the days when fast bowlers wouldn't bounce each other, now it's a perfectly legitimate tool to remove someone from the game...

it was risky picking him with his injury but that's the way it is. our 3 quicks together are match winners, losing one on day one of the series could be a major blow.

watson is also carrying a knock but he's got all day tomorrow at least to rest up.
 
With Root opening and Bairstow in, our batting is far from as solid as people think it is. All it takes is failures from Cook and KP, then the Aussies to figure out Trott cannot resist flashing at a wide delivery and we arrive at 200ish all out.

This series could well be a bowl off, and very tight. Hope I'm wrong :neutral:

Simply not true about Trott

He is going to make a boat load of runs this series

Best batsman in both sides for me

Never been overly impressed with Bairstow at this level

Think Taylor is a better player myself
 
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The Mail reckons Broad will bowl this morning. Fingers crossed (mine, not his).
 
With Root opening and Bairstow in, our batting is far from as solid as people think it is. All it takes is failures from Cook and KP, then the Aussies to figure out Trott cannot resist flashing at a wide delivery and we arrive at 200ish all out.

This series could well be a bowl off, and very tight. Hope I'm wrong :neutral:

Better teams than Australia have failed to work Trott out in the last 4 years.

Also, is everyone forgetting our first innings of a series is always shite. Apparently we average less than 250 in the last 8, getting less than 230 in 6 of them. We got of to a shite start in the last Ashes, then went on to absolutely stuff them. There's 25 days in the series, they don't pick the winner after the first day.

The Mail reckons Broad will bowl this morning. Fingers crossed (mine, not his).

He only got hit with a ball and it didn't break anything. Get a load of pain killers in him and tell him to get on with it.
 
With Root opening and Bairstow in, our batting is far from as solid as people think it is. All it takes is failures from Cook and KP, then the Aussies to figure out Trott cannot resist flashing at a wide delivery and we arrive at 200ish all out.

This series could well be a bowl off, and very tight. Hope I'm wrong :neutral:

Bairstow might be a bit light, but Root is the man and has looked Test class since he walked into the side. If I was worried about a bat it would be Bell, who seems to have regressed to pre-2010 levels.

And out of Cook, KP and Trott I bet Trott is the one out nicking a wide one the least of the three. If anything, Trott is known for being an on-side player.

All in all, very strange post.
 
Bairstow might be a bit light, but Root is the man and has looked Test class since he walked into the side. If I was worried about a bat it would be Bell, who seems to have regressed to pre-2010 levels.

And out of Cook, KP and Trott I bet Trott is the one out nicking a wide one the least of the three. If anything, Trott is known for being an on-side player.

All in all, very strange post.

Agree with this. I think Bairstow is worth persevering with - not a great deal to replace him with. Not convinced by Taylor, and bringing Compton back would mess around with the batting order....
 
Agree with this. I think Bairstow is worth persevering with - not a great deal to replace him with. Not convinced by Taylor, and bringing Compton back would mess around with the batting order....

I'm quite a fan of Bairstow but I do think Taylor is a better all-round batsman. He's more capable of building an innings, is technically better with a sounder defence and is much more the type of play I'd want coming in at 50/4.

Interesting side point, Bell averages 21 in 16 innings at home to Australia, not doubting his overall ability as a batsman but I think he's been lucky to not have his place questioned on current form either.
 
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