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I know this isn't a response to me but I disagree with this. I personally didn't want Grigg either.

Last season Ross spent months saying he wanted a left sided defender and in January we went out and got Dunne (a right sided defender). We've now signed 7 CB's in about 14 months. We still don't have a left sided defender. We are playing Willis (another right sided CB there).

We've allowed James to leave, knowing Oviedo would follow, and ended up having to ring round and sign anyone that was available on deadline day so an academy product, who was struggling, wasn't the only left back at the club, and were so desperate we signed them injured.

We are playing a cm at right back because despite signing a specialist RB he's been awful and now has been dropped from the side.

We've signed defensive midfielder after defensive midfielder which Donald highlighted on twitter was a reason why the squad was so bloated it stopped us from signing anyone early in the window. Ross stated in the summer he wanted pace. We didn't bring any in.

We've paid massively over the odds on Ross' top target and he's on the bench every game.

We lost a winger on loan and haven't replaced them leaving us short of options out wide.

We've got the head of recruitment going to speed dating events because we are more interested in trying to avoid paying agents than we are in identifying targets and signing them.

The criteria for signings seems to be free and available and whilst some players are decent individuals, none of them look like a team, or have characteristics that compliment others, or work in partnerships because none of them seem to have been signed with any prior thought or suitability to identity.

Ross played a back 5 all summer and the beginning of the seaoan and played 3/4 players out of position in the first games because he signed nobody to play in the roles he'd decided would get us promoted.

Generally correct however Joel Lynch is a left footed centre back.

De Bock smacks last minute panic buy...
 
Maddison clearly does well at this level but as others have alluded to in the past, there must be a reason that Champ clubs haven't been interested in him.

Could be simply that he needs a manager that keeps in him line or a club who's fans don't scrutinise his every move.

Whatever it is there's clearly something about him that puts other clubs off.

I once had a friend, who is now dead, who for many years was a Police Officer with wide experience as a detective. After she 'retired' he became a private investigator. Very interestingly, at least to me, she would be asked to carry out background/character checks on potential signings for football clubs. Primarily she worked in the North-West for a club who were once premier league but who now aren't. They were a club that put high store on buying the 'right sort' of player. Whilst she was there they did very well. After a change of ownership, costs were trimmed and they no longer relied on these checks. She told me that about a third to a half of potential transfer targets have 'undesirable' characteristics to the extent that she would advise that they should seriously consider not signing the player. I never pressed her for details but she did volunteer a couple of player's names who she said were disasters waiting to happen. One player was someone who was constantly linked to make the move from the championship to a premier league team but never did although he was a creative midfielder who scored goals, the sort of player who should go for silly money. Over the years after a couple of proposed transfers feel through his career went downhill very rapidly. She also did similar work for some large financial companies and her findings about potential employees were even worse !
 
I know this isn't a response to me but I disagree with this. I personally didn't want Grigg either.

Last season Ross spent months saying he wanted a left sided defender and in January we went out and got Dunne (a right sided defender). We've now signed 7 CB's in about 14 months. We still don't have a left sided defender. We are playing Willis (another right sided CB there).

We've allowed James to leave, knowing Oviedo would follow, and ended up having to ring round and sign anyone that was available on deadline day so an academy product, who was struggling, wasn't the only left back at the club, and were so desperate we signed them injured.

We are playing a cm at right back because despite signing a specialist RB he's been awful and now has been dropped from the side.

We've signed defensive midfielder after defensive midfielder which Donald highlighted on twitter was a reason why the squad was so bloated it stopped us from signing anyone early in the window. Ross stated in the summer he wanted pace. We didn't bring any in.

We've paid massively over the odds on Ross' top target and he's on the bench every game.

We lost a winger on loan and haven't replaced them leaving us short of options out wide.

We've got the head of recruitment going to speed dating events because we are more interested in trying to avoid paying agents than we are in identifying targets and signing them.

The criteria for signings seems to be free and available and whilst some players are decent individuals, none of them look like a team, or have characteristics that compliment others, or work in partnerships because none of them seem to have been signed with any prior thought or suitability to identity.

Ross played a back 5 all summer and the beginning of the seaoan and played 3/4 players out of position in the first games because he signed nobody to play in the roles he'd decided would get us promoted.
Don’t you think that if we haven’t signed the players he wanted it’s because he’s not in full charge of signings
 
Maddison clearly does well at this level but as others have alluded to in the past, there must be a reason that Champ clubs haven't been interested in him.

Could be simply that he needs a manager that keeps in him line or a club who's fans don't scrutinise his every move.

Whatever it is there's clearly something about him that puts other clubs off.

We aren’t in the championship.

Why do people insist that we shouldn’t sign him because he hasn’t proven himself in the championship, when we’re still barely inside the playoffs in the division below? Mental.
 
2 points off top, game in hand. 1 behind Ipswich. Beat a prem team in the cup. Spent nothing in the summer, lost our former prem players.

SACK THE MANAGER!!!! Ridiculous. Ross has hardly lost a game in charge.

Take your point but this sounds very similar to the ‘cup final, third in the league with two games in hand’ line that was used last season.

If I was to criticise Stewart Donald, a lot of people would rush to his defence and say he’s saved the club and invested more money into the club at this level than anyone else has before; that we spent more money than every other club combined last season. With that in mind, there then surely there has to be a lot of criticism aimed at Ross for underperforming with the squad that he inherited and with the resources he’s had available to him since he arrived?

I’m not calling for Ross to be sacked at this stage. However, to use the line you have just used to defend him is to completely gloss over the inadequacies and limitations of the job he has done so far. We are shaky at the back, we often look disjointed, we very rarely dominate games and our wins are predominantly attritional, we’ve drawn too many, our discipline could be improved and there’s very little evidence that the squad he and the recruitment team have put together is anything like good enough to compete at the level above should we be promoted (despite so many stating that relegation to this level and a reboot would be good to rebuild a squad and playing style to have a proper go again in the future).

So, it’s Ross stay put for me but he shouldn’t be given the free ride you’re seemingly willing to give him.
 
Maddison clearly does well at this level but as others have alluded to in the past, there must be a reason that Champ clubs haven't been interested in him.

Could be simply that he needs a manager that keeps in him line or a club who's fans don't scrutinise his every move.

Whatever it is there's clearly something about him that puts other clubs off.
£2.5m release clause for player in last year of contract
Take your point but this sounds very similar to the ‘cup final, third in the league with two games in hand’ line that was used last season.

If I was to criticise Stewart Donald, a lot of people would rush to his defence and say he’s saved the club and invested more money into the club at this level than anyone else has before; that we spent more money than every other club combined last season. With that in mind, there then surely there has to be a lot of criticism aimed at Ross for underperforming with the squad that he inherited and with the resources he’s had available to him since he arrived?

I’m not calling for Ross to be sacked at this stage. However, to use the line you have just used to defend him is to completely gloss over the inadequacies and limitations of the job he has done so far. We are shaky at the back, we often look disjointed, we very rarely dominate games and our wins are predominantly attritional, we’ve drawn too many, our discipline could be improved and there’s very little evidence that the squad he and the recruitment team have put together is anything like good enough to compete at the level above should we be promoted (despite so many stating that relegation to this level and a reboot would be good to rebuild a squad and playing style to have a proper go again in the future).

So, it’s Ross stay put for me but he shouldn’t be given the free ride you’re seemingly willing to give him.
Nor should the “recruitment team”
PS What has this got to do with the takeover rumours
 
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£2.5m release clause for player in last year of contract

Nor should the “recruitment team
PS What has this got to do with the takeover rumours

No they shouldn’t. Or Donald.

I suppose it has nothing to do with the takeover directly but throughout the thread there has been discussion on whether a takeover would result in a new manager and the increased talk about Allardyce last night and today has meant there’s increased discussion about Ross’s future
 
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I would seek out anyone and everyone I could...not only PL but all the Leagues. Anyone who would be willing to talk to me. I’d ask them for names of people they were impressed with and then go seek them out...I wouldn’t limit myself to just Allardyce.

I should clarify what I'm saying here as well as I'm able.

I was never talking about a long term adviser to guide the direction of the club.

This was like getting a bloke, who's a well known dirty fingered mechanic, to check out a car you've been offered and give a blunt opinion ...
... but unofficially and on the quiet, not through the RAC.

I can think of few people better placed than Allardyce for that job.

The people you've mentioned don't know the club well enough.

Quinn is too rose tinted and 'politically' biased.

Short never really understood the mechanics of the club.

Donald & Methven obviously have vested interests and the new lads wouldn't learn much except the bare facts and figures.

Really, I'm struggling to think of anyone better than Allardyce for that specific job.

Not that I'm saying he was that person ;)
 
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Who broke the takeover story?....

Did you watch or go to the game yesterday? A large portion of support at the game were saying how utterly woeful it was to watch.
And ? it was woeful under BSA a lot of the time so what’s the point of getting him in. The sun never broke the takeover story. Plus read the article it’s total bollocks as it says Ross will be in charge till they get promoted to premier league then Sam would come in , what a load of made up rubbish
 
We lost 4 of our final 19 games under Allardyce and the form we had over that period would have seen us finish 9th that season.

Half a season in the Premier League and barely losing any games and you reckon the football wasn’t very good. Jesus.
What has form got to with the way you play football????!! I remember going to Liverpool away and we got a 2-2 draw which is a good result but for 80 mins it was some of the worst football I have seen
 
And ? it was woeful under BSA a lot of the time so what’s the point of getting him in. The sun never broke the takeover story. Plus read the article it’s total bollocks as it says Ross will be in charge till they get promoted to premier league then Sam would come in , what a load of made up rubbish
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I wasn’t at the Chelsea game so that can’t be used in your argument, we were solid at the back and we knew the difference between kicking the ball long and when to play football. We learnt how to score goals and had a never say die attitude about us, so yeah best football I’ve seen us play.
Well your idea of good football is different to mine, BSA is good at organising a team but his football isn’t good too watch
 
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