Takeover News/Rumours - Part 42

[Grumpy Old Man]

with all due respect you said that Donald and his other clowns were nowhere near the decision making. It seems you are wide of the mark, appointing Speekman and Johnson is obviously a SD decision as no one else can make these decisions now, and the sacking of Cookey and probably a few others have paid for it. There is no way Kyril has had any input they havent even agreed a deal yet. Everything anyone has said has been wrong, who gives you your info?



cos he owns the circus no one else does, and that wont change it seems

I repeat, they can make the appointments, but not the decisions. It's simply my judgement. These moves are too intelligent, and too expensive, given the future recruitment promises that appear to be have been given, to have come from SD. Of course, Juan Sartori is on the board, and is the alleged driving force in bringing in KLD. The assumption being made is that Donald is pulling all the strings because he's majority shareholder. However, in a board meeting, he has no more votes than anyone else.

Someone said the club have to say it was the current board’s decision otherwise Parkinson could take them to court - is that plausible?

Only the current board or an appropriate employee could terminate his contract in any event.

 

[The Rat]

Someone said the club have to say it was the current board’s decision otherwise Parkinson could take them to court - is that plausible?

ffs

why is it so implausible to people that the bloke who owns the club ishiring and firing managers?

why wouldn’t he be?

I repeat, they can make the appointments, but not the decisions. It's simply my judgement. These moves are too intelligent, and too expensive, given the future recruitment promises that appear to be have been given, to have come from SD. Of course, Juan Sartori is on the board, and is the alleged driving force in bringing in KLD. The assumption being made is that Donald is pulling all the strings because he's majority shareholder. However, in a board meeting, he has no more votes than anyone else.


Only the current board or an appropriate employee could terminate his contract in any event.

Good god

 

[Ashley In!!]

Making the appointment does not equal making the decision. If a firm of management consultants tells a company the x,y,z they are, in effect, making a decision. But that can only be implemented by the board of the company. The company is simply rubberstamping the external advice. It's about observing the underlying niceties, not the realities. Form over substance.

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[AgnewsHorseshoe]

Not true. Supporter groups should be up in arms and acting against the owners. We're in worst state in over 140 years but they seem happy to let things slide. Next it'll be oh can't protest becasue of the transfer window. Then it'll be the season run in. Then we start again, possinly in league one AGAIN!

Agree like and Gareth and Gav are on here get them told

 

[Red]

ffs

why is it so implausible to people that the bloke who owns the club ishiring and firing managers?

It's not implausible, its people have a different opinion to yourself, which they're allowed to do. You could be right, they could be right but you've certainly got no reason to be so exasperated to be starting posts "ffs".

 

[Football Dinosaur]

Agree like and Gareth and Gav are on here get them told

Oh I'm sure they're aware of my views. I've repeated enough over last few months. The Rep also knows. Something has to change, even if LJ manages to get us up we're done for under current owners. The thought of a 15 point season in the Championship is depressing but very possible under SD if he's lucky enough to get up and not sell due to greed.

 

[Sea to Shining Sea]

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It’s the way he posts stuff like ‘deary deary me’ when someone posts an opinion he disagrees with and then discusses his low tolerance of bullshit that makes him fun. I don’t think it would be possible for him to ever say ‘I got this wrong’

 

[horselover]

no they just made it all up

100% this

 

[GBJS]

This new structure is not the doing of Donald. He has to be involved as majority shareholder, but he doesn't have the cash to fund it. I'm not itk but it is obvious that this is new ideas which will be backed, by new money. How can anybody actually think that Donald has decided to do all this himself?

Well said marra plain as day to me.

 

[Scootsie]

ffs

why is it so implausible to people that the bloke who owns the club ishiring and firing managers?

why wouldn’t he be?


Good god

What are you on about you absolute goon, I was asking some a question about something someone else said, I didn’t say it was or wasn’t fact.

 

[Grimes]

with all due respect you said that Donald and his other clowns were nowhere near the decision making. It seems you are wide of the mark, appointing Speekman and Johnson is obviously a SD decision as no one else can make these decisions now, and the sacking of Cookey and probably a few others have paid for it. There is no way Kyril has had any input they havent even agreed a deal yet. Everything anyone has said has been wrong, who gives you your info?



cos he owns the circus no one else does, and that wont change it seems

Yeah I just wonder why so many ITKs were set on the fact he’s not making these decisions. Has there deliberately been misinformation coming out the club? Or is it a troll.

 

[Flash Gordon]

What's the logic behind Stewart Donald implementing a Sporting Director structure when there's a takeover and papers with the EFL?

 

[Ashley In!!]

Rodwell says those decisions were made and implemented solely by the current board, but admits he would be 'astonished' if an incoming regime tore up that plan.

He said: "The reality is that the decision to remove Phil [Parkinson] was made by the board of Sunderland.

"The appointment of Lee [Johnson] was made by the board of Sunderland, and the decision to bring in Kristjaan [Speakman] was made by the board of Sunderland.

I mean what's said is pretty conclusive, made and implemented solely by.

 

[darius]

Agree with this. Even if Donald has signed off on the recent appointments, they're being driven by people undoing his bad work in the past.

I'm the same on the takeover. I still believe something is going on of some description, but I'm not sure what it is, and quite clearly KLD may not have made his mind up what he even wants, so let's just see.


Because he had to, tbf. I can believe he at least felt he needed to make a change.

The biggest reason for Speakman and Johnson to join us is the possibility of a takeover of some description. I don't think they're out of budget though, they're just probably at the budget that Donald should have committed this time last year.

He didn't "need" to employ a sporting director. He is pleasing poverty whilst employing more people

 

[Thatheaderman]

Pressure on SD.

Yeah that will work. If you don't want me I will go speech was that of a spoilt brat. His back gets up with pressure and I believe he is dangerous .

We have to hope Kyril wants in or the yanks want in...or f***ing both if they fancy it.

Donald speaks of child kidnaps. He's a dangerous spoilt brat but a brat who owns the ball.

 

[gards2]

I would imagine Mr donald has spent a lot of money over the last year because we've had hardly any income, same for other clubs mind. He sold our best young players for peanuts just so he doesn't have to spend more of his own money. Because, I doubt it's his actual money. More the PP money and the loan.

Paying wages etc because of covid-19. Our outgoing are huge compared to other clubs in the division though..Anyway, I doubt it's his actual money.

A 22yr old rich kids seems more unlikely with every passing day.

 

[KittenMittens]

Of course, Juan Sartori is on the board, and is the alleged driving force in bringing in KLD. The assumption being made is that Donald is pulling all the strings because he's majority shareholder. However, in a board meeting, he has no more votes than anyone else.

Not sure I see the logic here. Sartori is equally powerless to drive other shareholders/board members to do things they don't want to do with his single vote.

People talk about this shit like it's a movie full of power-plays and intrigue and it's honestly very extreme circumstances where that happens. 99.9% of deals and board meetings are very friendly. I guarantee that Sartori is not undermining Donald at this stage, with no deal done. It only makes life harder for everyone. Neither will it suit Donald to appoint someone who the new board would want to immediately get rid of, or appoint a Sporting Director on the same basis.

So while we all talk about this kind of ruthless, combative dynamic, it's far more likely that they communicated with each other throughout that process to make sure the outcome was not at odds with either party's interests. Donald would be able to afford to keep both on if things go tits up (or at least within expected budget), but equally KLD and JS would be happy with the appointments too.

 

[Flash Gordon]

Nixon “The person can do the directors and owners test. Doesn’t mean he has to do the deal if he doesn’t agree with the numbers.”

Reading between the lines of his tweets he doesn’t sound convinced anything is agreed imo

Sounds to me like he's trying to justify his last tweet which seems to have been contradicted by Rodwell.

 

[samaistonsrightfoot]

What's the logic behind Stewart Donald implementing a Sporting Director structure when there's a takeover and papers with the EFL?

Don't know, mate. When Rodwell has been talking to the chronicle about it and providing the information he hasn't explained it and the chronicle hasnt bothered asking.

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

Not sure I see the logic here. Sartori is equally powerless to drive other shareholders/board members to do things they don't want to do with his single vote.

People talk about this shit like it's a movie full of power-plays and intrigue and it's honestly very extreme circumstances where that happens. 99.9% of deals and board meetings are very friendly. I guarantee that Sartori is not undermining Donald at this stage, with no deal done. It only makes life harder for everyone. Neither will it suit Donald to appoint someone who the new board would want to immediately get rid of, or appoint a Sporting Director on the same basis.

So while we all talk about this kind of ruthless, combative dynamic, it's far more likely that they communicated with each other throughout that process to make sure the outcome was not at odds with either party's interests. Donald would be able to afford to keep both on if things go tits up, but equally KLD and JS would be happy with the appointments too.

In other words, Donald couldn't or wouldn't appoint anyone that KLD would be unhappy with. He's like the firer in a field gun crew - simply pulling the trigger on ammo loaded by someone else from a gun aimed by someone else.