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Takeover News/Rumours - Part 42

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Dismissal of negatives or contradictory articles in the press as a Mag agenda is ridiculous paranoia. Obviously we hope they aren’t right but haway lads. Have we not learned to keep our powder dry a bit and be a bit cautious?

Personally I'm more disappointed with some of the stories in the locals and on the rumour mill today just capitalising on hearsay and clickbait. There's a real opportunity this week for us all - fans, forums, blogs, the media - to have a serious discussion about the direction that the club needs to take from here. Hopefully now the leading contenders have been established, we can start thinking collectively about where we go.

Firstly, I think it's safe to assume that whilst some of the stories today suggest that the decision to sack Parky and find a successor has been led by those currently at the club, that's probably not strictly true. The incoming Sporting Director will have a say, you'd imagine, but they can't paint that picture publicly as it doesn't reflect well upon them if someone who doesn't even own the club yet is having a say in the sacking of the current first team coach.

I think something similar occurred when Chris Coleman was here, and he was sacked right before Donald took the reins. I'm fairly sure Coleman went on to sue the club for unfair dismissal, though not sure if he was successful. Regardless, you'd imagine that they'll be keen to avoid that happening again.

Personally, I hope we get all of this information at once - the ownership, new leadership structure, the appointment of new key staff, the appointment of the manager, and some very clear communication on where we go from here. What's the plan, what do we hope to achieve, where will the investment go, what do we want Sunderland to be, what's the plan for the short, medium and long term future? They don't have to do this, but I believe this new regime would benefit immensely from being very clear on all of that from day one. We need something to judge them on, the manager on, the Sporting Director on, and so on and so forth.

Whoever is appointed should demonstrate they're able to embrace data and analytics, have a clear philosophy on youth development, a defined style of playing, a willingness to work with a Sporting Director (obviously), and importantly, they need to be someone the fans can buy into. That is important. Big characters thrive at Sunderland and I feel we can't afford to hire someone who fails to light a spark under the entire club from the minute they set foot in the door.

Getting promoted is so vitally important, but I don't want the bigger picture to be missed here. Not only do Sunderland need to get promoted, but we need to do it with an organisational structure that is solid, and with proper footballing people making the decisions for the football side of the club. Integrated into all of that is increasing our scouting network, focusing on recruiting young players with resale value (as opposed to the tried and tested method that has failed us for so many years) and, quite simply, for the first time in our history we need to embrace the fact we have a category one academy. Become academy centric! Make that place the basis for everything we do.

I'm rambling but I so desperately want to see my vision for my club play out before us, because now feels like a better time than ever to stamp our mark and become a proper, well-run football club.
 

If Armstrong is right then it means KLD and Sartori will both have 40%.

Means Madrox as it stands (Donald,Methven,Sartori) will hold 60% and therefore will have the majority say? Would be a major worry
Then surely that wouldn’t be a takeover. That would make all current reports and speculation incorrect🤔
 
The new manager is already sorted?
Anybody brave enough to say who?

more than likely will be Poyet is the consensus.

I’d guess he has the job unless they discover something in the interview process they don’t like. I have a suspicion he’s known he had it for weeks based on his podcast appearances.
 
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Then surely that wouldn’t be a takeover. That would make all current reports and speculation incorrect🤔
I think it’s both & all will be under Madrox. The new lad will acquire 40%, along with satori upping his to 40% making them two the largest shareholders and only those two who can ultimately call the shots.
 
Personally I'm more disappointed with some of the stories in the locals and on the rumour mill today just capitalising on hearsay and clickbait. There's a real opportunity this week for us all - fans, forums, blogs, the media - to have a serious discussion about the direction that the club needs to take from here. Hopefully now the leading contenders have been established, we can start thinking collectively about where we go.

Firstly, I think it's safe to assume that whilst some of the stories today suggest that the decision to sack Parky and find a successor has been led by those currently at the club, that's probably not strictly true. The incoming Sporting Director will have a say, you'd imagine, but they can't paint that picture publicly as it doesn't reflect well upon them if someone who doesn't even own the club yet is having a say in the sacking of the current first team coach.

I think something similar occurred when Chris Coleman was here, and he was sacked right before Donald took the reins. I'm fairly sure Coleman went on to sue the club for unfair dismissal, though not sure if he was successful. Regardless, you'd imagine that they'll be keen to avoid that happening again.

Personally, I hope we get all of this information at once - the ownership, new leadership structure, the appointment of new key staff, the appointment of the manager, and some very clear communication on where we go from here. What's the plan, what do we hope to achieve, where will the investment go, what do we want Sunderland to be, what's the plan for the short, medium and long term future? They don't have to do this, but I believe this new regime would benefit immensely from being very clear on all of that from day one. We need something to judge them on, the manager on, the Sporting Director on, and so on and so forth.

Whoever is appointed should demonstrate they're able to embrace data and analytics, have a clear philosophy on youth development, a defined style of playing, a willingness to work with a Sporting Director (obviously), and importantly, they need to be someone the fans can buy into. That is important. Big characters thrive at Sunderland and I feel we can't afford to hire someone who fails to light a spark under the entire club from the minute they set foot in the door.

Getting promoted is so vitally important, but I don't want the bigger picture to be missed here. Not only do Sunderland need to get promoted, but we need to do it with an organisational structure that is solid, and with proper footballing people making the decisions for the football side of the club. Integrated into all of that is increasing our scouting network, focusing on recruiting young players with resale value (as opposed to the tried and tested method that has failed us for so many years) and, quite simply, for the first time in our history we need to embrace the fact we have a category one academy. Become academy centric! Make that place the basis for everything we do.

I'm rambling but I so desperately want to see my vision for my club play out before us, because now feels like a better time than ever to stamp our mark and become a proper, well-run football club.
Pissflaps
 
Never mind the football club, the fans are going to need a period of repair after all this.

This 18 month takeover saga has created an absolute cesspit of WUM's, anarchists and negativity.
 
Interesting if true, any news on who the SpD is then? Presumably involved in the decision.

English or Scandinavian is the only hint we've got. So you can rule out Rangnick, Wenger and some of the other more fanciful names. Schwarz is getting name checked, but I suspect that's more because he's an ex-player here.
 
I think it’s both & all will be under Madrox. The new lad will acquire 40%, along with satori upping his to 40% making them two the largest shareholders and only those two who can ultimately call the shots.
It would give SD some power still though as either would need him to get a majority.
 
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All we can go off is what's in public domain and while there is hope, there needs to be caution. It's how we got in this mess in the first place. Fact the two original members still have there stake and can have their voices heard a, whether they are listened to or not. I hope this lad has his head screwed on and leads well putting the right people in place. If Methven however manages to keep some role as reported, that causes some concern. Also Methven is allegedly behind the link to this lad, some must have some sway. These current owners are broke and yet rather than buying them out, they are keeping a share, which would only cost more in future to purchase off them.

There are a lot of questions and they need to be asked. If every one just believed everything and backed it to the hilt, that is as dangerous as people doubting everything. You need both. I hope for the clubs sake Prehab and whoever on Not606 are right and this is a great new beginning. But without any information or evidence given (which I understand why), that is as easy to doubt as anything from a reporter

Second part is just paranoia and conspiracy theory.
Neeebugger backs a horse in a race without knowing the runners, riders, conditions,and form ..............Unless of course you are an idiototic spunktrumpet!
We know nowt for certain yet so i will wait until everything becomes clearer before placing my chips.Don and charlie are shitehawks so until deal is done and we know how much of their rancid seed remains within our club, I will wait for completion with a pitchfork ,tar and feathers in one hand and a bottle of bolly in the other.Ready hoping and praying its the champers that gets deployed.
 
Definitely an interesting appointment, be interesting to see how he works with a sporting director, never got on with Congerton but not sure if that was a personality clash or the role he didn't like.

he stated on the podcast he likes Congerton as a person and doesn’t think he’s a bad SpD but that the approach was wrong.

LC wanted to bring in players he already knew regardless of if they fit what GP was asking for in characteristics and ability.
He said something to the effect of “if I don’t have a right back and you show me three that I don’t want then I have to pick one because I still need a right back”

hopefully this is more collaborative and designed to bring in players to suit a style the manager wants.
 
It would give SD some power still though as either would need him to get a majority.
I’m not sure how it all works on that front but it’s all rumour in terms of how the shares are going to be distributed but not sure any new potential owner would put money into the club knowing he can be outvoted on key decisions. Also the rumour that currently Satori doesn’t see eye to eye with Donald and any input he had was swatted away as he is currently a minority shareholder with no say.
 
he stated on the podcast he likes Congerton as a person and doesn’t think he’s a bad SpD but that the approach was wrong.

LC wanted to bring in players he already knew regardless of if they fit what GP was asking for in characteristics and ability.
He said something to the effect of “if I don’t have a right back and you show me three that I don’t want then I have to pick one because I still need a right back”

hopefully this is more collaborative and designed to bring in players to suit a style the manager wants.
That relationship is going to be pretty key, but you would guess they have been involved in the decision and Poyet knows what he is coming in to now.
That scenario is always likely to happen in this structure I guess, still pretty sure Poyet signed a fair few that he knew as well, Bridcutt, Buckley, Vergini, Coates off the top of my head.
 
Definitely an interesting appointment, be interesting to see how he works with a sporting director, never got on with Congerton but not sure if that was a personality clash or the role he didn't like.
On his podcasts it seemed that he wasn’t against the role but thought it wasn’t well implemented here. Didn’t slag congerton off or anything but suggested he wasn’t a good fit for the role or didn’t take to it quick enough.
 
English or Scandinavian is the only hint we've got. So you can rule out Rangnick, Wenger and some of the other more fanciful names. Schwarz is getting name checked, but I suspect that's more because he's an ex-player here.
Haway the spaceman
 
Then surely that wouldn’t be a takeover. That would make all current reports and speculation incorrect🤔

Depends on the structure. If Sartori moves his shares into a new vehicle co-owned by he and Sartori, which could then be joined by other consortium members later as and when EFL clearance is gained, then that vehicle owns 80%, and it's clearly a takeover. K L-D and/or his advisors will be smart enough not to acquiesce in a deal which results in commitments without clout. People underestimate the extent to which both CM and JS seem to be distancing themselves from Donald. It's more likely they'll be siding with K L-D. Donald has no interest in being involved in the club at all. He just wants to hang on to enough to hope for a bigger payday later.
 
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