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Strauss and his stupid ideas....

Aidan11 said:
Strauss has ruined his legacy. A great player becoming a total **** over this review.
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he really hasn't like

sensible suggestions, they need to do something, the schedule is a mes

dont get the criticism at all, least he is trying, even if I dont agree with all of it

the 100 isnt going anyway, there is nothing he can do about that himself you know
 
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The Rat said:
he really hasn't like

sensible suggestions, they need to do something, the schedule is a mes

dont get the criticism at all, least he is trying, even if I dont agree with all of it

the 100 isnt going anyway, there is nothing he can do about that himself you know
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What gets me is ,whether he is right or wrong is the abuse he is getting.

He is one of the most respected England cricketers of the last 20 years, overseen transformation of our one day team, past England test captain and clearly all round respected good guy.

He has simply been asked to do a review and because he possibly might have some suggestions some may not like.

He is now arsehole, bellend etc etc.

People may not like his ideas but he certainly deserves more respect than he is getting on here.
 
The Rat said:
he really hasn't like

sensible suggestions, they need to do something, the schedule is a mes

dont get the criticism at all, least he is trying, even if I dont agree with all of it

the 100 isnt going anyway, there is nothing he can do about that himself you know
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Good post.

It's a fact that the schedule has to change and I think that it's pretty clear that the amount of cricket across the board (including internationals) has to be reduced.

I can see why counties and those members who go to every game don't want to see the number of games reduced but something has to give somewhere. 10-12 championship games a season seems decent to me.

The bit of your post I can't agree with is about The Hundred. It's a shame that is it blotting the entire landscape and taking up the peak summer months. We'll never get an optimal schedule while it is still hanging around. The fact that it's happening and the ECB are persevering with it in the face of of criticism from the majority of the existing cricket supporting public is an absolute disgrace.
 
The Rat said:
he really hasn't like

sensible suggestions, they need to do something, the schedule is a mes

dont get the criticism at all, least he is trying, even if I dont agree with all of it

the 100 isnt going anyway, there is nothing he can do about that himself you know
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He could have come to different conclusions.

It's no surprise at all that they've come to the conclusions they have. That unpopular ECB controlled competition which makes huge loses - brilliant and must stay during the peak summer weeks and everything else must stop. Everything else - don't care. Stunned they came to that conclusion! Stunned I tell ya!

The 16.4 and the county structure, only one can survive. I think we now all know that the ECB are prepared to bankrupt the entire sport to make sure it's the first one.
 
Steak Pie said:
He could have come to different conclusions.

It's no surprise at all that they've come to the conclusions they have. That unpopular ECB controlled competition which makes huge loses - brilliant and must stay during the peak summer weeks and everything else must stop. Everything else - don't care. Stunned they came to that conclusion! Stunned I tell ya!

The 16.4 and the county structure, only one can survive. I think we now all know that the ECB are prepared to bankrupt the entire sport to make sure it's the first one.
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It's almost like their remit is to destroy red ball cricket.

I wise man once said, "watch what they do not what they say".

The trust for the ECB ran out under Graves and a worse custodian than the ECB for the game of cricket cannot be imagined. Thomson is making the right noises but, what will he actually do is the question.
 
Provider said:
Good post.

It's a fact that the schedule has to change and I think that it's pretty clear that the amount of cricket across the board (including internationals) has to be reduced.

I can see why counties and those members who go to every game don't want to see the number of games reduced but something has to give somewhere. 10-12 championship games a season seems decent to me.

The bit of your post I can't agree with is about The Hundred. It's a shame that is it blotting the entire landscape and taking up the peak summer months. We'll never get an optimal schedule while it is still hanging around. The fact that it's happening and the ECB are persevering with it in the face of of criticism from the majority of the existing cricket supporting public is an absolute disgrace.
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Its not to agree or not with mate, its fixed in, there is nothing I or Strauss can do about it
Steak Pie said:
He could have come to different conclusions.

It's no surprise at all that they've come to the conclusions they have. That unpopular ECB controlled competition which makes huge loses - brilliant and must stay during the peak summer weeks and everything else must stop. Everything else - don't care. Stunned they came to that conclusion! Stunned I tell ya!

The 16.4 and the county structure, only one can survive. I think we now all know that the ECB are prepared to bankrupt the entire sport to make sure it's the first one.
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What are you talking about?

The 100 is locked in with the broadcasting deal

so you wanted Strauss to call for the 100 to be removed even though it cant, that would be a complete and utter waste of time.

thats nothing to do with him at all, he is trying to recommend things around that as he has no choice.
 
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The Rat said:
Its not to agree or not with mate, its fixed in, there is nothing I or Strauss can do about it


What are you talking about?

The 100 is locked in with the broadcasting deal

so you wanted Strauss to call for the 100 to be removed even though it cant, that would be a complete and utter waste of time.

thats nothing to do with him at all, he is trying to recommend things around that as he has no choice.
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And? Sports get cancelled sometimes. If there's a will, they'll work around.

Here's a thing. The deal to secure the 8 venues runs for two more competitions, up to 2024. What will they do if the counties don't sign up again? Still run it?

Strauss could have come to any conclusions he wanted, but the ECB into the ECB competition by an ECB employee has come to the exact conclusion the ECB want. Amazing.
 
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Steak Pie said:
And? Sports get cancelled sometimes. If there's a will, they'll work around.

Here's a thing. The deal to secure the 8 venues runs for two more competitions, up to 2024. What will they do if the counties don't sign up again? Still run it?

Strauss could have come to any conclusions he wanted, but the ECB into the ECB competition by an ECB employee has come to the exact conclusion the ECB want. Amazing.
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Its not amazing at all, a review into something that cant be changed would be completely and utterly pointless

he is trying to make the best of it, the criticism of strauss is utterly bizarre and without any warrant.
 
The Rat said:
Its not amazing at all, a review into something that cant be changed would be completely and utterly pointless

he is trying to make the best of it, the criticism of strauss is utterly bizarre and without any warrant.
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It can be changed. It won't be, obviously, but it could. Very easily.
 
Steak Pie said:
He could have come to different conclusions.

It's no surprise at all that they've come to the conclusions they have. That unpopular ECB controlled competition which makes huge loses - brilliant and must stay during the peak summer weeks and everything else must stop. Everything else - don't care. Stunned they came to that conclusion! Stunned I tell ya!

The 16.4 and the county structure, only one can survive. I think we now all know that the ECB are prepared to bankrupt the entire sport to make sure it's the first one.
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With Tommo now in charge, I wouldn't be surprised to see the 16.4 carry out it's full schedule up u til the end of the broadcast deal, and then that'll be that. He's savvy enough to know the sponsorship and broadcast money is beneficial, and it's no good pissing Sky off. But he loathes it.
 
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TheRey said:
With Tommo now in charge, I wouldn't be surprised to see the 16.4 carry out it's full schedule up u til the end of the broadcast deal, and then that'll be that. He's savvy enough to know the sponsorship and broadcast money is beneficial, and it's no good pissing Sky off. But he loathes it.
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the idea that Strauss can do anything bout it is whats perplexing me

I dont mind the idea of local first class cricket in august, derbies etc, think there are some good suggestions

if people are just wanting things to carry on like normal then they need a reality check, we aren't a million miles from of a lot of players just giving up CC cricket and permnanelty joining the white ball treadmill franchise wise
 
The Rat said:
Its not to agree or not with mate, its fixed in, there is nothing I or Strauss can do about it
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It's possible to disagree with it and still understand that there's a contract in place for it to continue for X amount of years. My point wasn't to cancel it (as much as I would love that), it was that while it is around and dominating the peak months, we will never get to an "optimal" schedule (whatever that is :)).

As an example of just how detrimental it is, the idea behind Strauss' suggestion is to reduce the amount of cricket and it has done that in terms of suggesting fewer County Championship games per county. But because the Hundred means there is an entire month where players not it in won't be playing any cricket, there's a suggestion of having additional regional red ball competition which means more games and cancels out the whole aim of the restructure. It's totally backwards and all because of the abomination that is The Hundred.
 
The Rat said:
he really hasn't like

sensible suggestions, they need to do something, the schedule is a mes

dont get the criticism at all, least he is trying, even if I dont agree with all of it

the 100 isnt going anyway, there is nothing he can do about that himself you know
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REALLY?! :o
Provider said:
It's a fact that the schedule has to change and I think that it's pretty clear that the amount of cricket across the board (including internationals) has to be reduced.

I can see why counties and those members who go to every game don't want to see the number of games reduced but something has to give somewhere. 10-12 championship games a season seems decent to me.
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The thing about this is, you’ve answered it all with the next paragraph (below). The schedule does have to change, but the integrity and quality of county cricket could be improved immeasurably simply by getting rid of the white elephant that is the 16.4 and going back to what worked before.

Provider said:
The bit of your post I can't agree with is about The Hundred. It's a shame that is it blotting the entire landscape and taking up the peak summer months. We'll never get an optimal schedule while it is still hanging around. The fact that it's happening and the ECB are persevering with it in the face of of criticism from the majority of the existing cricket supporting public is an absolute disgrace.
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The wheel was never broken, nor did it need reinventing.
 
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brandon said:
REALLY?! :eek:


The thing about this is, you’ve answered it all with the next paragraph (below). The schedule does have to change, but the integrity and quality of county cricket could be improved immeasurably simply by getting rid of the white elephant that is the 16.4 and going back to what worked before.



The wheel was never broken, nor did it need reinventing.
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Why is everyone keeping saying this?

Strauss review is to improve high performance while the 100 is on, he cant do anyting about it

its not his decision man.
 
The Rat said:
Why is everyone keeping saying this?

Strauss review is to improve high performance while the 100 is on, he cant do anyting about it

its not his decision man.
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He could always just tell the hard truth. Mention the elephant in the room.

We were number 1 in the world in all formats not too long ago, before the 16.4 existed. We didn’t need it then and we don’t now.
 
Really poor comments about one of the good guys in cricket and one of the very best we have produced.

too much hate in the game.

all based on utter unfactual nonsense too
 
The proposals are awful. A six team premier League with two minor groups of six.

So that's 5 home games a season. Maximum 20 days county championship a season. Less if games finish early, interference from rain and umpires running for the pavilion when the sun goes behind a cloud.

Counties can't afford to reduce the cost of membership but at present prices this does not represent value for money. Especially if the one day cup goes to a straight knockout competition. Get beat away in the first round and you don't even get the chance to see your team at home.

Who would be the six PL teams? I bet we won't be one of them. We have provided more England players bar Yorkshire this century and in the same period won the championship three times.

There's nothing wrong with the current system apart from needing a couple of minor tweaks. If this goes through what happens next time the Aussies stuff us which they do quite often? It's change for the sake of change.
 
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