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Southampton spying compendium thread


The thing that stood out in one the statements was that Southampton had spied on opponents within 72 hours of a match taking place. So does that mean it's ok to spy as long as it isn't within that timeframe?
 
yfc54 said:
The thing that stood out in one the statements was that Southampton had spied on opponents within 72 hours of a match taking place. So does that mean it's ok to spy as long as it isn't within that timeframe?
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Yes as its more general training I guess, where as last few days I guess is more the match preparation stuff
 
gazc24 said:
"all we did was cheat multiple times to give us an advantage, it's not fair to punish us"
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Haha reading his bollocks statement too I mean teams have been kicked out of the playoffs in the past so it’s not exactly unprecedented like he makes it sound. I we broke rules but 😢😢 why should we be held to account with a punishment that’s on the table 😂 this will be insane if they get let back in and makes a mockery of it all.
 
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yfc54 said:
The thing that stood out in one the statements was that Southampton had spied on opponents within 72 hours of a match taking place. So does that mean it's ok to spy as long as it isn't within that timeframe?
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Yeah the rule book supposed to say you can as long as it’s not 72 hours prior to the game.
 
Never really understand this process to appeal immediately. Surely any facts that are important were known yesterday, and didn't just come to light between the judgement yesterday and this morning?
There'd have to be a serious piece of new evidence in order to change a judgement after just 24hrs, surely?
 
Southampton in to about 8/1 for promotion, from around 15/1 yesterday, so some think they will be reprieved. Can't see it myself, but who can be sure?
 
PTR said:
Never really understand this process to appeal immediately. Surely any facts that are important were known yesterday, and didn't just come to light between the judgement yesterday and this morning?
There'd have to be a serious piece of new evidence in order to change a judgement after just 24hrs, surely?
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They appeal to an arbitration panel who might have a different opinion.
 
Scorer said:
I think there’s probably an argument to say everyone can do it as it would just be part of strategy then but presumably it’s not generally the case. If it is Southampton have a much stronger argument that’s it accepted practice.
When Mr Smith whistle blew illegal payments the PFA ( or equivalent) did argue that it was the norm at many clubs- in fairness to the cheat, Jimmy Hill strongly defended Sunderland on that basis.
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I think that Jimmy missed the point there. The "Boot Money Scandal" in which undeclared (wage and bonus) payments were regularly made by Clubs to playes wasn't just a matter of breaking the FL's sillly wage cap rule . It was a huge tax avoidance scam that was going on within professional football from which both the Clubs and the players were benefited.

I have been convinced for years that the mysterious "Mr Smith" was someone within the Inland Revenue who because of the very fact that making under the counter payments to players was the norm the tax authorities wanted the practice stopped. By saying "but everyone does it" ensured that SAFC got hung out to dry as a warning to all the other Clubs. After the Football League had punished Sunderland the Inland Revenue made a point of going after the Sunderland players (and Directors) for all the tax that the had failed to pay on their undeclared income. They were lucky these days you get sent to prison for doing that.
 
Southampton are wrong about the punishment being unprecedented. It's perfectly normal that if a team cheats in a knockout competition (eg. by playing an ineligible player, wheter deliberately or accidentally) then that team will be thrown out. They don't have any excuse of accidental breaches of rules, so there is no reason to let them off.
 
Shady Lane said:
"Alright pal. Just to give you a heads up, I'll be there Friday morning to film training. Yeah, I'll bring a change of clothes and hide in the bushes in case you see me. Cheers."
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It's not exactly like that. Clubs can watch other clubs train aslong as it's not within a 72 hour period of a match, so analysts, knowing that they need to visit other clubs, work with eachother to not make their own job more difficult. The suggestion is that all clubs in The Championship periodically go a few hours within the 72 hour window whilst capturing footage, or observing the opposition.

As it happens all the time for all clubs, there's generally an unspoken agreement that it's sound as long as they're not taking the piss with it.
 
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