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Southampton spying compendium thread

123SunTan said:
^THIS has been pointed out by many neutral YouTubers when the news broke.

It is indeed suspicious.


Of all the clubs, Wrexham has the most video footage. I was wondering why they don't come forward.
Saving it for a dramatic spygate episode of "Welcome to Wrexham"?
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Or they think that Southampton are screwed anyway, and they're better off keeping their powder dry until the appeal process is done and then going after them for cash
 

Wonder if Will Still had any knowledge of this with Eckhart being the under 21 manager.

Find it odd they can promote within and he suddenly starts to cheat, with backroom staff already from within the club.
 
MonkeyLove said:
Not sure how you think any interim injunction could be both incorrectly granted and deprive Boro of playing in the final. The only realistic basis for injunctive relief would be to delay the final not reverse the decision to reinstate Saints.

The only basis I’m suggesting Southampton might believe they have a case, and I think it would be more on today’s appeal, is S33. Is it reasonable to expect Southampton to file an appeal within less then 24 hours without the final written summary of the initial arbitration and clarity on the reasoning for the award. Personally I think they could make a strong case that it isnt.

The argument of expediency, which is the sole reason the EFL have for abridging the timelines, doesn’t negate the test of if it was fair which is what S33 deals with. The timeframe, particularly to prepare for the appeal, is that far away from the documented timeline and that without the full written judgement provided to Southampton for the appeal, I could see the EFL having a hard time arguing how the arbitration was conducted reasonably. Why have a documented 14 day process if it’s reasonable to constrain that to less then 1?

Whether they have a right to amend the timelines or not is irrelevant, they still have to defend that it was fair.
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There is no realistic prospect of getting a hearing on the merits in the High Court for any realistic delay to the Final. In cases I have been involved in recently, we are looking at next January to get a half day case management hearing. Players contracts start expiring in late May / early June. There is a tiny window for delaying the final, even if Wembley, the policing, the transport, etc can be rearranged at the drop of a hat..

You ask, "Is it reasonable to expect Southampton to file an appeal within less then 24 hours without the final written summary of the initial arbitration and clarity on the reasoning for the award". But Southampton appears to have agreed to this timetable, presumably because it is blindingly obvious to them that any delay is against their interest. Southampton could have demanded the full timescale. They did not do that because it would be too late for them to get the relief they want.

And again, the question is not whether such and such a decision is fair. For the purpose of an appeal, it is whether no reasonable decision maker could have come to the same conclusion.
 
123SunTan said:
^THIS has been pointed out by many neutral YouTubers when the news broke.

It is indeed suspicious.


Of all the clubs, Wrexham has the most video footage. I was wondering why they don't come forward.
Saving it for a dramatic spygate episode of "Welcome to Wrexham"?
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There was a suggestion when the news first broke that all analysts in The Championship do it, and it's just a non-spoken agreement between the clubs. I'm pretty sure I read the analysts all know eachother so they even communicate with eachother when they'll be there as a heads up.

It does seem canny weird - especially when it's only those two teams to come out with 'Boro.

Might be, and probably am, just looking into it too much and all the crack about analysts all doing it is all bollocks.
 
They should have let play offs play out , then if/ when Southampton where found guilty, and if they won the final ,promote the losing team in the final ,like they did with Swindon
 
ned_werby said:
and who is AlfieHouseEcho?
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File with Edwards et al then. Another knars nowt
MonkeyLove said:
I don’t know why you are getting so angry with me I’m simply saying in my legal perspective what Southampton look to be setting up for :lol: Which appears to be a claim that the process itself was unfair and the next legal step to that would be to try and obtain an injunction to stop the final going ahead using Section 33 of the Arbitration Act to bring the claim.

I have no idea how strong a case they think they would have or what the long term objective of doing it would be (Apart from seeking a new hearing and perhaps hoping more time could give them new evidence… no idea).

But that’s likely their only further recourse. And prima facie whilst the EFL can amend timelines I’ll come back to the crutch of Section 33 which is they still have to successfully defend whatever exceptions they did were fair. I suspect that Southampton will argue reducing a 14 day period down to a less then 24 hours and expecting them to file an appeal without the full written summary from the initial arbitration award (Essentially offering then an appeal without the reasoning for the original decision) is unfair.

If you don’t take it from me that’s likely where this is going look at the tweet from the Southampton Echo journo last night who is probably the closest to the club out of everyone saying they will appeal also the process.

I’ve said all along I think they should be kicked out so I’m not defending them at all here.

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I'm not angry at all, but facts are facts and SFC have admitted to breaking R127 and can't expect anything other than to be made an example of. And I trust local journo's as much as I trust Donald Trump, clickbait mongers.
 
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Get Into Em said:
There was a suggestion when the news first broke that all analysts in The Championship do it, and it's just a non-spoken agreement between the clubs. I'm pretty sure I read the analysts all know eachother so they even communicate with eachother when they'll be there as a heads up.

It does seem canny weird - especially when it's only those two teams to come out with 'Boro.

Might be, and probably am, just looking into it too much and all the crack about analysts all doing it is all bollocks.
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I think there’s probably an argument to say everyone can do it as it would just be part of strategy then but presumably it’s not generally the case. If it is Southampton have a much stronger argument that’s it accepted practice.
When Mr Smith whistle blew illegal payments the PFA ( or equivalent) did argue that it was the norm at many clubs- in fairness to the cheat, Jimmy Hill strongly defended Sunderland on that basis.
 
Get Into Em said:
There was a suggestion when the news first broke that all analysts in The Championship do it, and it's just a non-spoken agreement between the clubs. I'm pretty sure I read the analysts all know eachother so they even communicate with eachother when they'll be there as a heads up.
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"Alright pal. Just to give you a heads up, I'll be there Friday morning to film training. Yeah, I'll bring a change of clothes and hide in the bushes in case you see me. Cheers."
 
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