SOL expansion

[Gene Hunt]

I don’t mean it’s the only reason.

There’s others who will tho. That’s the point.

They’ve never been able to improve BCB or charge more given the situation we were in.

I don’t disagree people who are used to BCB pricing won’t stomach paying a lot more. But there’s others who will.

I’ve just had a look on the website and it looks like there are about 200 tickets left for 76 Yards. Looks like only about half sold in that area which suggests they have got the pricing wrong.

 

[Blyth]

I’ve just had a look on the website and it looks like there are about 200 tickets left for 76 Yards. Looks like only about half sold in that area which suggests they have got the pricing wrong.

103 are left last time I looked. You might be right and we might see a pricing adjust but maybe they’re happy with that. They’re probably making more money.

 

[AndrewP]

I don’t mean it’s the only reason.

There’s others who will tho. That’s the point.

They’ve never been able to improve BCB or charge more given the situation we were in.

I don’t disagree people who are used to BCB pricing won’t stomach paying a lot more. But there’s others who will.

A cynic might suggest that the club are pretending games are sold out to sell overpriced 76 Yards.

 

[Wearson]

Season tickets will have been sold for 76 Yards, so the day ticket pricing can’t really reduce below the pro rata cost of £2295 + Vat.

 

[Gene Hunt]

103 are left last time I looked. You might be right and we might see a pricing adjust but maybe they’re happy with that. They’re probably making more money.

I thought that at first but there are two sections - about 100 available in each. I hope they do look at it as it’s a shame to have that many empty seats when there are people who want to go.

I was looking at Brighton’s corporate offerings the other day after somebody on here had posted about buying some. They had a one priced at around £240 which included a private booth with beer tap and pub grub. Beer was pour yourself and unlimited, before and after the game (unfortunately it was Heineken). I thought this was much better value than our offering, and a club in a far more affluent area than ours.

 

[Get Into Em]

I thought that at first but there are two sections - about 100 available in each. I hope they do look at it as it’s a shame to have that many empty seats when there are people who want to go.

I was looking at Brighton’s corporate offerings the other day after somebody on here had posted about buying some. They had a one priced at around £240 which included a private booth with beer tap and pub grub. Beer was pour yourself and unlimited, before and after the game (unfortunately it was Heineken). I thought this was much better value than our offering, and a club in a far more affluent area than ours.

The issue being if we put something like that on at that price, they'd be consistently sold out. Quinn's (iirc) is sold out all season. I'm sure that's about £300 incl. VAT, and doesn't have anywhere near the offering that the Brighton hospitality has.

 

[ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK]

Seats?

I should have said empty spaces like I did in post #3202. Below is a waffle regarding Roker Park attendance in the 50s & 60s as it surprised me.

I've already pointed out that we although we had high crowds in the 50s & 60s we also had lower crowds. The fluctuation was all over the place and I've added the red line below which shows the running average of the previous 21 games (a season's worth). You can see it's around 40k in the 50s but obviously drops due to relegation in 1958 and goes as low as 20k average in 1960 as we finished 15th then 16th in 2 seasons after relegation! We get promoted in 1965 so it picks up but drops again to 20k as we don't get higher than 15th and get relegated in 1969/70. That running average is what surprised me.

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Another thing to consider is the cheaper tickets back then compared to wages, availability to those cheap tickets. If tickets were a similar price ratio to wages now then we'd get 1,000s more going to games as there's far more for people to do on a Saturday now to spend the current ticket price elsewhere. One thing that doesn't happen now is that back then, you'd have people from various places including Newcastle going to the game not just to see the lads, but to see the opposition teams and players in the flesh and will be part of the reason for the huge attendance variation.

For anyone still awake or brave enough to keep reading, here's the SOL attendances since it opened and there's far less fluctuation. I've removed the behind closed door games due to COVID but left in the limited ones that happened once fans were allowed back.

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Anyway, long story short is that in the past at Roker Park we had empty spaces yet nobody talks about it now but they still talk about the great crowds and atmosphere of Roker. The population is far bigger now and if clubs weren't greedy and trying to get the most out of fans to then throw £10,000s a week at footballers then football crowds would be even bigger than they are now.

If we had a 63,000 stadium then with the correct pricing then there wouldn't be as many empty seats as some think and the main factor should be getting the bairns hooked at a young age by allowing them access to games to ensure the great following no matter what position we are in the league.

 

[safctommie]

I should have said empty spaces like I did in post #3202. Below is a waffle regarding Roker Park attendance in the 50s & 60s as it surprised me.

I've already pointed out that we although we had high crowds in the 50s & 60s we also had lower crowds. The fluctuation was all over the place and I've added the red line below which shows the running average of the previous 21 games (a season's worth). You can see it's around 40k in the 50s but obviously drops due to relegation in 1958 and goes as low as 20k average in 1960 as we finished 15th then 16th in 2 seasons after relegation! We get promoted in 1965 so it picks up but drops again to 20k as we don't get higher than 15th and get relegated in 1969/70. That running average is what surprised me.

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Another thing to consider is the cheaper tickets back then compared to wages, availability to those cheap tickets. If tickets were a similar price ratio to wages now then we'd get 1,000s more going to games as there's far more for people to do on a Saturday now to spend the current ticket price elsewhere. One thing that doesn't happen now is that back then, you'd have people from various places including Newcastle going to the game not just to see the lads, but to see the opposition teams and players in the flesh and will be part of the reason for the huge attendance variation.

For anyone still awake or brave enough to keep reading, here's the SOL attendances since it opened and there's far less fluctuation. I've removed the behind closed door games due to COVID but left in the limited ones that happened once fans were allowed back.

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Anyway, long story short is that in the past at Roker Park we had empty spaces yet nobody talks about it now but they still talk about the great crowds and atmosphere of Roker. The population is far bigger now and if clubs weren't greedy and trying to get the most out of fans to then throw £10,000s a week at footballers then football crowds would be even bigger than they are now.

If we had a 63,000 stadium then with the correct pricing then there wouldn't be as many empty seats as some think and the main factor should be getting the bairns hooked at a young age by allowing them access to games to ensure the great following no matter what position we are in the league.

Brilliant work.

 

[AndrewP]

Season tickets will have been sold for 76 Yards, so the day ticket pricing can’t really reduce below the pro rata cost of £2295 + Vat.

It can, easily. They could offer them last minute for half price if they felt like it.

 

[DiscopantsSoL]

Where were the major empty seats against West Ham?

897 in P21-P35 at the front of the away section. Big block in SBA that is corporate. 76 yards wasn't sold out and i seen someone say earlier P8 was empty in PC. 200 or so netted off as segregation in P20. Theres around 1,500 in total.

 

[AndrewP]

897 in P21-P35 at the front of the away section. Big blocl in SBA that is corporate. 76 yards wasn't sold out and i seen someone say earlier P8 was empty in PC. 200 or so netted off as segregation in P20. Theres around 1,500 in total.

They've decided to sell P8 this time. I guess they forgot they existed until today.

 

[Wearson]

It can, easily. They could offer them last minute for half price if they felt like it.

They could, but don’t need to.
The fixed costs are probably well covered already so any more sales are a bonus.
Why risk upsetting your full price paying customers? They are the priority, not bargain hunters.

 

[DiscopantsSoL]

They could, but don’t need to.
The fixed costs are probably well covered already so any more sales are a bonus.
Why risk upsetting your full price paying customers? They are the priority, not bargain hunters.

Put them on sale for £36 with no access to 76 Yards.

 

[AndrewP]

They could, but don’t need to.
The fixed costs are probably well covered already so any more sales are a bonus.
Why risk upsetting your full price paying customers? They are the priority, not bargain hunters.

I doubt many would be upset if someone paid say £100 tomorrow for the 76 Yards package. They probably paid less themselves when you factor in the £300 per match price of Cat A games.

Put them on sale for £36 with no access to 76 Yards.

That should be exactly what happens a couple of days before the match. Maybe a slight premium for the padded seat.

 

[riffraff]

Forest new stand budgeted at £130m albeit that’s a 10,000 capacity increase.

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The pay back also only works if there is a full sell out as if it’s just supporters moving from different areas of the ground then there is no real increase in revenue. Like when people are saying the north stand has been paid back several times over I do wonder if it actual has? The club would have to work out how many times we achieved being over the previous ground capacity and establish how much additional net income was achieved after netting off additional borrowing and operating costs.

Strange. I heard they were looking to move from someone who was a work conference at their ground a few months back who was told by one of Forests conference type people. Also around then from someone from Nottingham on our site.
I’m sure it’s been in the media anarl.

 

[Geppetto]

897 in P21-P35 at the front of the away section. Big block in SBA that is corporate. 76 yards wasn't sold out and i seen someone say earlier P8 was empty in PC. 200 or so netted off as segregation in P20. Theres around 1,500 in total.

I'm not referring to segregation though mate, are you serious? I couldn't see swathes of empty seats anywhere.

 

[Wrenthorpe Mackem]

I’ve just had a look on the website and it looks like there are about 200 tickets left for 76 Yards. Looks like only about half sold in that area which suggests they have got the pricing wrong.

They'll sell at bigger prices for likes of Saudis, Liverpool etc. 180 for Brentford Burnley a bit much. 120 and they'd go.

 

[riffraff]

There’s only 10 seats left in banks. 3 weeks before a game.

They’ve sold 65.

That’s nearly 43k for one game. Plus whatever people spend on top.

They’ll probably shift that 10. Or close to it.

Season tickets over one game for 65 seats works out around £1,500 with rough maths or £23 a ticket.

Even if they don’t sell the remains 10 seats it’s a huge money maker.

The obsession with needing to sell every seat in the house needs to stop when it comes to hospitality.

You can’t get in Monty’s, Quinn’s, Riverview, Buisness lounge.

I agree on offering more tiers of hospitality, which is only really possible with expansion.

Spot on.

 

[Wrenthorpe Mackem]

I'm not referring to segregation though mate, are you serious? I couldn't see swathes of empty seats anywhere.

I didn't either other than the obvious one since north upper ie front rows and segregation. Assume those totalled 2000 given gap between capacity and attendance?

 

[Osklen]

Strange. I heard they were looking to move from someone who was a work conference at their ground a few months back who was told by one of Forests conference type people. Also around then from someone from Nottingham on our site.
I’m sure it’s been in the media anarl.

That was from June so you might be right.