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SAFCOldie said:
Okay Frijj 👍😊
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We have had this one before. Stop trying to deflect. If you care to look frij has recently called me out and disagreed with me.

As I said I won't try to be an internet hard man or (adding to that) deflect the argument cos I don't like being called out
 

Nobby said:
We have had this one before. Stop trying to deflect. If you care to look frij has recently called me out and disagreed with me.

As I said I won't try to be an internet hard man or (adding to that) deflect the argument cos I don't like being called out
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I can't be arsed, suffice to say you have that totalitarian streak and these posters are few and far between on here. Not good.
 
SAFCOldie said:
I can't be arsed, suffice to say you have that totalitarian streak and these posters are few and far between on here. Not good.
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Sorry mate can't help calling out your bullshit.

How does I will assess the situation equal a totalitarian streak?
 
Be Here Now said:
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surprising to see the telegraph publish pessimistic outlooks in those graphs

i think the uk should be reasonably ok during June to aug. The test will be in September onwards to ascertain how effective the vaccines are / have been

got to be a big question mark over the extent of international travel this year
 
SAFCOldie said:
I can't be arsed mate, my thinking can't be having this side show nonsense.
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Ok I accept your withdrawal from the debate, your acceptance that you can't sustain your argument is welcome

SO STOP PUSHING YOUR f***ing BOLLOCKS
 
Nobby said:
Ok I accept your withdrawal from the debate, your acceptance that you can't sustain your argument is welcome

SO STOP PUSHING YOUR f***ing BOLLOCKS
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Not bollocks just stats. I'm particularly interested how ths hasn't decimated third world countries yet seems to have a problem with genetic third world country folk in the West, any ideas?
 
SAFCOldie said:
Not bollocks just stats. I'm particularly interested how ths hasn't decimated third world countries yet seems to have a problem with genetic third world country folk in the West, any ideas?
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Really
Ok not many people travel to 3rd world countries so they haven't imported it.

Here they tend to be poor in low skilled jobs and live in multigenerational houses

Simple really but what has this to do with your hard deadline
 
Nobby said:
Really
Ok not many people travel to 3rd world countries so they haven't imported it.

Here they tend to be poor in low skilled jobs and live in multigenerational houses

Simple really but what has this to do with your hard deadline
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Looking at the figures it seems to be endemic in various third world countries, so how are these massive populated countries containg this, are we easying they have better health and safety, are they able to shut down their slave like economy for weeks on end?
 
Yet another article / study / expert soundbite that seems to ignore the fact that we are now rolling out a vaccine in an extremely quick timescale. It would be great if it significantly effects transmission but how does this projection allow for so many deaths. Is this based on case numbers rising so extraordinarily high that thete will be a knock on in terms of the death ratio even though the vaccine is supposed to protect the vast majority from serious illness. Are they factoring in some variant that will elude the vaccine? Its not even covered in the article.
 
Nobby said:
Really
Ok not many people travel to 3rd world countries so they haven't imported it.

Here they tend to be poor in low skilled jobs and live in multigenerational houses

Simple really but what has this to do with your hard deadline
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That sounds a very poor argument to me. Have you any data to substantiate your claims about travel to 3rd world countries?
 
SAFCOldie said:
Looking at the figures it seems to be endemic in various third world countries, so how are these massive populated countries containg this, are we easying they have better health and safety, are they able to shut down their slave like economy for weeks on end?
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Publish your data with references and maybe you can get a considered response
 
Nobby said:
Publish your data with references and maybe you can get a considered response
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Nope, it's quick fire analysis and gut instinct...you produce the data and tell me your take. I'm getting sick of being slowed down.
daveydavey said:
What's clear is that those proposing the most significant and harsh lockdown measures are incredulous at the development of vaccines...scrambling for reasons to continue a lockdown post summer. Surely anyone can see the game is up on this virus, and from July it's time to get back to normal.
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Exactly, although would suggest back end of May, July is too late to do the analysis on the vaccine effectiveness.
 
SAFCOldie said:
Nope, it's quick fire analysis and gut instinct...you produce the data and tell me your take. I'm getting sick of being slowed down.


Exactly, although would suggest back end of May, July is too late to do the analysis on the vaccine effectiveness.
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So no data and no detail hmmm
 
SAFCOldie said:
Exactly, although would suggest back end of May, July is too late to do the analysis on the vaccine effectiveness.
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I think end of May is reasonable. We are aiming to vaccinate the most vulnerable by mid Feb. 2nd dose mid May at the latest. About 10 days for the 2nd dose to give around 90% immunity is end of May.
 
Nobby said:
By 8th march the over 70s and CEV are done you still have the over 50s, obese, diabetics, special needs etc all unvaccinated. A version of normal isn't coming until they are done. The government is saying schools first maybe 8th march.

You can infer from that "normal" is some way later than that.

It will be a very gradual process Boris doesn't want to get burned again
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this it will be easing of tiers & restrictions rather boom ok people back to normal tomorrow
 
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