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gipetto said:
And the point you ignored? Do you always laugh at yourself? That must be awkward socially.
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Personal abuse now...................the tangents getting bigger by the second........................

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gipetto said:
If you think that's abuse then you must be highly sensitive. Well done for derailing the thread. You got the attention you yearned for.
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Nope you introduced the tangent to try to explain why you weren't getting the support you yearned.

Than you introduced personal abuse and now it seems are intimidating you can take it to another level.

Your original argument cant be that compelling if you drop it like a stone at a seconds notice..........

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the streaker said:
Nope you introduced the tangent to try to explain why you weren't getting the support you yearned.

Than you introduced personal abuse and now it seems are intimidating you can take it to another level.

Your original argument cant be that compelling if you drop it like a stone at a seconds notice..........

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Wow. And you are a staff member, worrying.
 
Flash Gordon said:
The figures are irrelevant to some people, they expected us to keep Mignolet and let him go for nothing in 2 years, keep Sessegnon, still sign Giaccherini and still pay £8-10m for a central midfielder as well. And if we were still bottom of the league the owner would have been a joke for not allowing the manager to buy full backs.
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I thought we'd use the 2 years £130million premier league money to offset the £9million for mig instead of the other way around.
Selling mig for £9mill was terrible business for us.
 
PISTON said:
I thought we'd use the 2 years £130million premier league money to offset the £9million for mig instead of the other way around.
Selling mig for £9mill was terrible business for us.
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Mate its not that simple....you make it seem like its £130 million we can just go and spend....the wage bill will take all of that and our last accounts had a hole of £26 million costs over and above turnover...............
 
the streaker said:
Mate its not that simple....you make it seem like its £130 million we can just go and spend....the wage bill will take all of that and our last accounts had a hole of £26 million costs over and above turnover...............
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we'll soon see when they're doing next years accounts from the championship.
i'm saying if they didn't have money to spend we should've just kept mig for £9million and made another go of it with what we had. it would be almost impossible to replace mig's influence on our points total for £9million in this league. we spent £3mill on a reserve keeper. if we could've sold one or two of the duck-eggs on the way and replace them all the better.
we needed mig far more than we needed £9million.
 
PISTON said:
we'll soon see when they're doing next years accounts from the championship.
i'm saying if they didn't have money to spend we should've just kept mig for £9million and made another go of it with what we had. it would be almost impossible to replace mig's influence on our points total for £9million in this league. we spent £3mill on a reserve keeper. if we could've sold one or two of the duck-eggs on the way and replace them all the better.
we needed mig far more than we needed £9million.
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You still make it out on a far too simplistic level anyway...........
And although Mig said he would stay another season I would be willing to have wagered that his agent would have stirred the shite and he would still have gone with the offer that was there from Liverpool.
Its piss easy to say clubs should hold players to contracts in this sort of position but the value of the player as an asset means they hold all the cards and the clubs always but always have to concede this and accept the inevitable.Its not right but its what happens in football.......

Mannone was £2 million was he not and having not seen enough of him judgement here isn't possible at this point in time...
 
PISTON said:
we'll soon see when they're doing next years accounts from the championship.
i'm saying if they didn't have money to spend we should've just kept mig for £9million and made another go of it with what we had. it would be almost impossible to replace mig's influence on our points total for £9million in this league. we spent £3mill on a reserve keeper. if we could've sold one or two of the duck-eggs on the way and replace them all the better.
we needed mig far more than we needed £9million.
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We certainly did 9m was a poor price for a side that has utilised mignolet as their 1st choice keeper , great young keeper so they have bought him relatively cheap , the whole top and bottom of the last 6 months is a farce of mismanagement , surely these people could have seen this long before we decided to bail out with the white flag
 
chuckyroll said:
We certainly did 9m was a poor price for a side that has utilised mignolet as their 1st choice keeper , great young keeper so they have bought him relatively cheap , the whole top and bottom of the last 6 months is a farce of mismanagement , surely these people could have seen this long before we decided to bail out with the white flag
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The fee for him is the 7th highest ever for a keeper in the world...............we might not think it a good price but in cold hard facts it was and reflects totally that they bought him as first choice....

Westwood to me isn't that bad and the biggest problem with the team is the rest of defence that changes all the time and concedes far too many goals.......
 
the streaker said:
The fee for him is the 7th highest ever for a keeper in the world...............we might not think it a good price but in cold hard facts it was and reflects totally that they bought him as first choice....

Westwood to me isn't that bad and the biggest problem with the team is the rest of defence that changes all the time and concedes far too many goals.......
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I think we gave him away at 9m
 
chuckyroll said:
I think we gave him away at 9m
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the fact only 6 keepers in history have gone for more suggests otherwise mate............

We were never going to get 15-20 million for him folk on here wanted.............
 
the streaker said:
the fact only 6 keepers in history have gone for more suggests otherwise mate............

We were never going to get 15-20 million for him folk on here wanted.............
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We will agree to disagree regarding mignolet , I agree with your other concern regarding the defence
 
the streaker said:
You still make it out on a far too simplistic level anyway...........
And although Mig said he would stay another season I would be willing to have wagered that his agent would have stirred the shite and he would still have gone with the offer that was there from Liverpool.
Its piss easy to say clubs should hold players to contracts in this sort of position but the value of the player as an asset means they hold all the cards and the clubs always but always have to concede this and accept the inevitable.Its not right but its what happens in football.......

Mannone was £2 million was he not and having not seen enough of him judgement here isn't possible at this point in time...
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I don't understand when you say mig would've taken the liverpool offer, did he have a buy out clause in his contract or something? i thought he was our player for another two years, just like suarez, benteke, cabaye etc etc etc.

I'm not saying we should never have sold mig but it should have been on our terms with the odds stacked massively in our favour. If liverpool wanted to sign a player who could genuinely improve their points total they should've been forced to dig deep, just like they told clubs when they turned down 40+million for suarez and still kept him despite a big fuss.
In today's market i think mig was worth £15-£20million to us and even then i wouldn't celebrate if we got it knowing that replacing his input wouldn't be easy. we've spunked away far bigger sums than that more than once.
In a nutshell a top 4/6 club with £15million to spend will generally be able to spend it on quality. That isn't necessarily the case with us and its more likely to burn a hole in our pockets before the opportunity arises to invest in the right players. In short, we aren't exactly a "destination venue".
 
PISTON said:
I don't understand when you say mig would've taken the liverpool offer, did he have a buy out clause in his contract or something? i thought he was our player for another two years, just like suarez, benteke, cabaye etc etc etc.

I'm not saying we should never have sold mig but it should have been on our terms with the odds stacked massively in our favour. If liverpool wanted to sign a player who could genuinely improve their points total they should've been forced to dig deep, just like they told clubs when they turned down 40+million for suarez and still kept him despite a big fuss.
In today's market i think mig was worth £15-£20million to us and even then i wouldn't celebrate if we got it knowing that replacing his input wouldn't be easy. we've spunked away far bigger sums than that more than once.
In a nutshell a top 4/6 club with £15million to spend will generally be able to spend it on quality. That isn't necessarily the case with us and its more likely to burn a hole in our pockets before the opportunity arises to invest in the right players. In short, we aren't exactly a "destination venue".
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Who needs a buy out clause?
Contracts mean nothing in football bar giving a player a bit more value in the transfer market...
And £20 million would have made him the 2nd most expensive keeper in history....not a hope in hell we were ever getting that.........

It happens all the time in football with players coming to the end of contracts who move when a bigger offer is on the table and clubs have little or no choice but to take the sale and get the money they can before the value of said player plummets.

Its all well and good saying hold them to their contracts but that never ever happens especially with agents involved..........its also naïve to think it would have been cut and dried that he would have stayed for another year...once the offer from a bigger club was there and his agents in the picture he was always leaving us and we were probably left as clubs in this position always are with a fait acomplit..........
 
the streaker said:
Who needs a buy out clause?
Contracts mean nothing in football bar giving a player a bit more value in the transfer market...

It happens all the time in football with players coming to the end of contracts who move when a bigger offer is on the table and clubs have little or no choice but to take the sale and get the money they can before the value of said player plummets.

Its all well and good saying hold them to their contracts but that never ever happens especially with agents involved..........its also naïve to think it would have been cut and dried that he would have stayed for another year...once the offer from a bigger club was there and his agents in the picture he was always leaving us and we were probably left as clubs in this position always are with a fait acomplit..........
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well apart from the three high profile examples i listed (suaraz, benteke, cabaye) and one of those actually had a buy out clause and the "holding" club still refused to let him go. in other words they put up a real fight to keep their best players.

Our club had to question whether or not mig's value would plummet faster than our income without him. i think we all know the answer to that. it gives me no pleasure to say that very soon £9million will seem like loose change in the big picture.
 
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