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Sacking Bruce

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"chelseatiger, post: 18752581, member: 34764"]I am sure you can imagine that for us some of the players he brought in were beyond our wildest dreams. Additionally he has the ability to switch is between 4-4-2, 3-5-2 and even a diamond formation at will. How could he be so bad for you? You've never reproduced a league position like he achieved for you since he left and yet you all slag him off. I don't get it......
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At least you know you're a shit, no mark club.
 

lurker said:
Big mistake in hindsight?

I know he's been bitter since and a bit of a kernt,but

We're still playing pretty much a Steve Bruce signings squad.

Best finish for many years.

Brought in some talent for cheap that we then got good money for (sess, bent, gyan,mig, Mcclean)

Had a squad that scored lots of goals when the strikers were in good form, and had some good , albeit overpaid, players in it.

Did we really sack him for a good reason? I know I wanted him out at the end but I honestly can't remember what I had to complain about at the time compared to now!
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I don't like any manager getting he sack. It can cost millions, cause disruption and often be a retro step. e.g. Peter Reid's sacking followed by Wilkinson.
Steve Bruce did a good job at first but your only as good as your last game. I found his tactics and style of football one dimensional.
I much prefer the style we're playing now. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and many fans now maybe regret the decision. I pray the board doesn't listen to the vocal minority in trying to get poyet sacked. We NEED stability
 
Sacking Bruce was an excellent idea then, now and anytime in the future.
We would still be waiting for our first win against the Mags for generations.
 
Maravilla said:
Reid took far more abuse from the fans towards the end of his time here than Bruce received. Difference is Reid took it like a man and accepted that it came with the territory if the team weren't getting results.
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Exactly, Reid was easily the best manager we've had in years and didn't deserve the shit he got.
 
Said for a while that it was a mistake to sack him. The fans had turned though and I've never witnessed an atmosphere quite like the Wigan game when their second went in.
 
Lonz said:
Said for a while that it was a mistake to sack him. The fans had turned though and I've never witnessed an atmosphere quite like the Wigan game when their second went in.
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So you were happy with doubtfires run of results before he left!
 
BDI said:
So you were happy with doubtfires run of results before he left!
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No. But I think the only way for a club to progress is for there to be a long-term plan in place and sacking managers every season isn't the answer. I don't think a bad "run a of results" should automatically mean you get sacked.

Too many people couldn't see past the 5-1 derby defeat and unfortunately derby defeats play too much on our minds as football fans. People don't like admitting it because it sounds petty, but it's true.
 
Lonz said:
No. But I think the only way for a club to progress is for there to be a long-term plan in place and sacking managers every season isn't the answer. I don't think a bad "run a of results" should automatically mean you get sacked.

Too many people couldn't see past the 5-1 derby defeat and unfortunately derby defeats play too much on our minds as football fans. People don't like admitting it because it sounds petty, but it's true.
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What about a 3rd really bad run of results in as many seasons?
 
Lonz said:
No. But I think the only way for a club to progress is for there to be a long-term plan in place and sacking managers every season isn't the answer. I don't think a bad "run a of results" should automatically mean you get sacked.

Too many people couldn't see past the 5-1 derby defeat and unfortunately derby defeats play too much on our minds as football fans. People don't like admitting it because it sounds petty, but it's true.
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Nonsense, he went on at least 2 long winless runs and started shit again.
He goes on about the Derby howking and if you buy that, that is your weakness.
 
Lonz said:
No. But I think the only way for a club to progress is for there to be a long-term plan in place and sacking managers every season isn't the answer. I don't think a bad "run a of results" should automatically mean you get sacked.

Too many people couldn't see past the 5-1 derby defeat and unfortunately derby defeats play too much on our minds as football fans. People don't like admitting it because it sounds petty, but it's true.
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Lets ignore the long winless run before the 5-1 game and the 2 after it.
 
dirty bristow said:
Nonsense, he went on at least 2 long winless runs and started shit again.
He goes on about the Derby howking and if you buy that, that is your weakness.
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Not a weakness at all, I just agree with him. Plenty of managers go on winless runs and getting rid of them doesn't mean you're going to be better off at all.

We'd just lost a bulk of our good players by being sold and them returning on loan (e.g. Bent, Gyan and Welbeck). None of the three I don't think he could do anything about in all honesty. Just look at the Colback situation last year - it doesn't matter who's in charge, if a player wants to leave for whatever reason, it's probably going to happen. Especially if more money is involved.

Our team needed rebuilding. He'd brought Colback and Henderson through from the academy quite well in my opinion. He'd bought Wickham for the future and that's a story that hasn't finished yet. I genuinely believe that he knew what was needed and that he was capable of doing it. He gave himself a bad press with the comments he came out with by alienating himself from the fans; he seemed to bite every time someone mentioned the whole Geordie thing.
 
Lonz said:
No. But I think the only way for a club to progress is for there to be a long-term plan in place and sacking managers every season isn't the answer.
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What part did the 3o-odd players signed by Bruce in his two and a half years play in this long-term plan?
 
joanderson said:
What part did the 3o-odd players signed by Bruce in his two and a half years play in this long-term plan?
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...not sure what you'd expect? I'd hardly say any manager has anywhere near a 100% record of what you'd call "successful" signings.

Roy Keane left us with an inflated wage bill and some average players to be honest.
 
Lonz said:
Not a weakness at all, I just agree with him. Plenty of managers go on winless runs and getting rid of them doesn't mean you're going to be better off at all.

We'd just lost a bulk of our good players by being sold and them returning on loan (e.g. Bent, Gyan and Welbeck). None of the three I don't think he could do anything about in all honesty. Just look at the Colback situation last year - it doesn't matter who's in charge, if a player wants to leave for whatever reason, it's probably going to happen. Especially if more money is involved.

Our team needed rebuilding. He'd brought Colback and Henderson through from the academy quite well in my opinion. He'd bought Wickham for the future and that's a story that hasn't finished yet. I genuinely believe that he knew what was needed and that he was capable of doing it. He gave himself a bad press with the comments he came out with by alienating himself from the fans; he seemed to bite every time someone mentioned the whole Geordie thing.
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If he knew what was needed then why did he sign the players he did in his last transfer window? Why did he buy Gardner and Vaughan, who had both done well in a 3 man midfield, and play them in a 2 man midfield where they looked lost

Why did he sign Sessegnon in an earlier window saying he bought him to build a team round then play him in about 4 different positions

The bloke was a bullshitter who would take zero responsibility for anything that went wrong. He didn't have a clue how to handle the fans and had a scatter gun approach towards the transfer market. He'd had long enough and we were well rid of him
 
Lonz said:
...not sure what you'd expect? I'd hardly say any manager has anywhere near a 100% record of what you'd call "successful" signings.

Roy Keane left us with an inflated wage bill and some average players to be honest.
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Signing a new team every summer hardly seems like evidence of a long term plan you say the club should have in place. And the second point is irrelevant.
 
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