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Roy Keane

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There’s two schools of thought here:
A) The ‘itk’ are correct and we’ll announce it later today or tomorrow morning.
B) The journalists claiming a second round of interviews are taking place this week and we hope to be in a position to appoint before next weekend.

I’d love to think it’s A but if so why the delay?
I don’t get the argument that it’s haggling over contract, back room staff etc.
All new appointments bring their own staff and haggle over contracts and it normally gets sorted far quicker than this.

As depressing as it seems I’m now forced to believe that for whatever reason we are determined to interview the likes of Lennon, Neil, McCann and potentially pi$$ Keane off to the extent he just walks away.
 

That is ok, not everyone may agree, we are entitled to our own opinions but I think it is the wrong move to give full control over to a man who hasn't been in football for years. If he wants full control he is going to have to earn it and have the right players and staff set up for it.

I certainly wouldn't give him control of everything because of what he did last time, it was a long time ago. Still want Keane to come but hoping he doesn't get the say on everything within the club.
 
LRW said:
Personally, after the Donald debacle, I've tried really hard not to get drawn in by Dreyfuss, and tried to judge him on actions and results.

So far, I've seen

- season cards go up (against the price freeze promise)
- at least one, and probably two, more failures to get out of League One
- a failure to do anything about the pitch, despite the press coverage about getting a state of the art pitch last year
- an absolutely shambolic off field operation, where it's impossible to get strips, the club shops are closed at peak times like pre-season and Christmas, and you can't get into the ground using cash
- no investment in the infrastructure of the stadium (unbelievably, the PA system is getting worse)
- a refusal to tell the fans who owns the club
- waiting far too long to sack Lee Johnson, who should have been gone the morning after the Lincoln game
- what looks increasingly like a ballsed up managerial appointment

I'm not sure what the list of achievements is meant to be, or why, after a year of more underperformance, we shouldn't be questioning him?
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Can't disagree with any of that. Keane would bring standards and professionalism...is that what they're afraid of? Imagine Keane walking past the closed ticket office, through the weeds that have grown for years, past the closed club shop and then out onto the bare disgrace of a pitch. Starting to get a bad feeling about it all.
 
Sweeper said:
This argument doesn’t stack up for me.

In any organisation, the final decision has to test with somebody. In this case let’s just look at recruitment - the argument is that “you can’t give the manager control over recruitment because of he gets it wrong, and gets sacked, then you’ll have to start again with new recruitment”. But all you’re doing is taking the decisions over recruitment away from one person (the person responsible for results, with more first team football experience), and giving it to another person (the person who isn’t directly responsible for results, with no first team football experience whatsoever).

So the question becomes - what if Speakman’s recruitment is shit? Done just allow him to crack on in the interests of “continuity” and “philosophy”? In the meantime, we’ll have a string of managers none of whom ever have the squad of players they’d actually want. It’s continuity of nonsense as far as I’m concerned.
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Exactly this. It was the same with the people you can't keep sacking managers (or 'head coaches' if that's what they are here). Of course you can if they're not delivering. Are we just meant stagnate here for 5 more years hoping they'll eventually get it right? Fuckin' bollocks should we.
 
Realist said:
That is ok, not everyone may agree, we are entitled to our own opinions but I think it is the wrong move to give full control over to a man who hasn't been in football for years. If he wants full control he is going to have to earn it and have the right players and staff set up for it.

I certainly wouldn't give him control of everything because of what he did last time, it was a long time ago. Still want Keane to come but hoping he doesn't get the say on everything within the club.
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Not sure anybody has ever said give him 'control of everything'.
 
Alfa said:
There’s two schools of thought here:
A) The ‘itk’ are correct and we’ll announce it later today or tomorrow morning.
B) The journalists claiming a second round of interviews are taking place this week and we hope to be in a position to appoint before next weekend.

I’d love to think it’s A but if so why the delay?
I don’t get the argument that it’s haggling over contract, back room staff etc.
All new appointments bring their own staff and haggle over contracts and it normally gets sorted far quicker than this.

As depressing as it seems I’m now forced to believe that for whatever reason we are determined to interview the likes of Lennon, Neil, McCann and potentially pi$$ Keane off to the extent he just walks away.
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It concerns me that that's the game Spenkman's playing.
 
chriswallace85 said:
It concerns me that that's the game Spenkman's playing.
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I think its nailed on to be Keane either isn't happy with a short term deal, however I think we'd have known by now. Or speakman and KLD dont agree and he's trying to delay the inevitable or find somebody else.
 
Dredd said:
I don't understand it. He works for KLD, if KLD wants Keane he'll have to work with it. If he's pissing around so Keane walks he deserves to get sacked
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Kld might want Keane...but is he willing to give Keane what he wants ....we are run on a shoestring and Keane isn't a shoestring type of person
 
Sons of The Wear said:
Selling Flanagan, a decent league one defender, and not replacing him, leaving us short at centre back.

Lack of striking options generally, especially if Stewart was to get a short or long term injury

No experienced right back

No mobile, experienced centre mid enforcer

Sack a manager and then a pantomime ensues to bring in a replacement whilst Rome burns and two clueless stand ins oversee a disgraceful defeat by Doncaster Rivers, bottom of the league but who could have been 4-0 up at half time quite easily. 38,000 people treated to an absolute amateurish shit show as a result. Disgusting.

Make pretentious videos instead of just appointing a manager who most supporters would like to see given the opportunity and entertain a series of applicants who will see many walk away if they are given the job.

The constant corporate speak and blather about projects and data, which from several heavy thrashings and ridiculous home results against clubs at the bottom end at the time of playing them-Charlton, Lincoln and Doncaster-and throwing away numerous late leads, eg: Wycombe and Accrington etc.-is not working very well.

That so many clubs with lesser support, history and overall squad ability are doing better than us suggest those running the club need to have a good look at themselves. Four years in this division is unacceptable. Standards are not good enough.
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aye but we're impatient :lol:
Birtley Lad said:
Not sure at what stage negotiations are at, but do know that arrangements have been made for Keane to be at the game tonight
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cheers hettonlass
 
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