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*~*~* Rotherham v Sunderland match thread *~*~*


rubberface said:
...because Jobe slows everything down most of the time.
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I like Jobe and think he had a decent second half but there was a point that on the face of it he made a great driving run nearly lost it and poked it to Clarke. There was an early ball on for Clarke which would have got us there quicker, he could have got close without the ball, it allowed them to regroup.
 
Cyprus said:
Consistently inconsistent. The performance and result makes the 1-0 win at Hull all the more suprising and random. I never turn my nose up at a point away from home no matter who it's against but looking at our forthcoming fixtures - Preston, Newcastle, Ipswich and Hull - there's a chance for Beale to either win the fans over or lose them completely. Despite my reservations I do hope that it's the former and time on the training ground, working with the players to implement his ideas and style will have the desired effect.
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Good post. There’s no way that we will be consistent any time soon though, such is the nature of having the youngest average age in the division. The last 3 matches are probably a perfect example of where we are at as a club/ squad, regardless of who the first team coach is. We could and might well have seen the same levels and results had TM still been in charge.
 
sir rowell cummins said:
I like Jobe and think he had a decent second half but there was a point that on the face of it he made a great driving run nearly lost it and poked it to Clarke. There was an early ball on for Clarke which would have got us there quicker, he could have got close without the ball, it allowed them to regroup.
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He does keep hold of the ball far too long at times, when it could be shifted quickly with just one touch. Like i say, i know he's young but he shouldn't be playing as much as he is. It's only because of his surname.
 
Mackem Attack said:
There’s no input from Beale because he hasn’t had the chance to. Being appointed so late was a joke - he probably hasn’t had a single proper training session yet and it’ll just be recovery days between games at this time of year. If only we had 14 days with only 1 game immediately after Mowbray left when he could have been out there grafting the lads…

Under those constraints it’s probably correct to not change the system entirely and expect miracles, suspect later in January we’ll start to see more change when he’s allowed time to actually train the lads
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Seems odd if there’s no input from him.

I’m not expecting wholesale changes or miracles at all. If you are going to carry the can for the performances would you be happy to take a back seat?

Dodds changed out system completely v leeds with very little time to work with the players after the West Brom game.
 
rubberface said:
He does keep hold of the ball far too long at times, when it could be shifted quickly with just one touch. Like i say, i know he's young but he shouldn't be playing as much as he is. It's only because of his surname.
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I thought he did well second half, better than Ekwah first but if you ask me, for a young lad he’s playing to many games. The other young players deserve the same attention and confidence.
 
winnie said:
They beat Southampton, and drawn with Norwich, Leeds, Ipswich and also Preston when they were going well.

It’s not the end of the world.
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results are never the end of the world, it’s a worry if they thought the system we started with at Hull that didn’t work would work last night.
 
Chewit said:
Catapulted ? We got promoted via the playoffs from the third division and have sat comfortably just outside playoffs since we got promoted.
Creeped is a better word, creeped into play with a offs two seasons running. Hardly beyond expectations. I don’t remember Bob Murray being held in high esteem for getting us promoted from the third.
Apart from not having a striker and DCM, which are kind of basic needs for a football team of any level yes your right about the players


Surely you wouldn’t say that about the last two windows ?

What about the recruitment Alan Durban did in Peter Reid’s days. The most successful team in modern history
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Fair point with Durban Reid.

I dunno how long Durban was in charge of recruitment in the Reid era tbh I thought it was all driven by Reidy.

There are parallels to be drawn between then and now in that when Reid started out and brought in Quinn, Alex Rae, Chris Makin… it was all great.

But later on in his reign we brought in some massive duds - Nunez being the most noteworthy but also Fredgaard, Laslandes, Flo…

There are frustrations with the model as I think it’s being taken too far which is detrimental to our chances of promotion.

But the general quality of players on the pitch compared to 3 or 4 years ago is light years.
 
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winnie said:
They beat Southampton, and drawn with Norwich, Leeds, Ipswich and also Preston when they were going well.

It’s not the end of the world.
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It's not, but there is a pattern forming over the last few months and it's repulsive
 
cosmicchris00 said:
The Christmas period is a challenge for any club.

- We played a home game the day before Christmas Eve...high pressure new manager etc. A disastrous home collapse.

- We're then on the road Boxing Day and 29th December. Mixed performances but 4 points.

We've now got Preston on New Year's Day.

- Where does the new gaffer get time to work with the players?

- What work can he do to prepare for this career defining game?

Preston are fragile and inconsistent.

The fans need to turn up on New Year's Day and roar the lads home.
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That performance isn't the 1st of its kind. Our form is pretty poor. Let's not make excuses for it
 
Turnip from the Tip said:
Good post. There’s no way that we will be consistent any time soon though, such is the nature of having the youngest average age in the division. The last 3 matches are probably a perfect example of where we are at as a club/ squad, regardless of who the first team coach is. We could and might well have seen the same levels and results had TM still been in charge.
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Completely agree.

Our modus operandi and intent is to sign young players relatively cheaply, develop them by exposing them to first team football with a view to ultimately turning profit (rinse and repeat).

The obvious danger in this is with young players comes inconsistency and needs to be supplemented by a core of experienced players many of whom have been discarded, jettisoned or deemed surplus to requirements by the regime.

Whilst frustrating the club will clearly not deviate from it's approach as was evidenced by the nature of Mowbray's departure. He stopped toeing the party line and went against the model - no way back after that!

It is widely considered that we over achieved last season and, given the summer recruitment, our relatively low wage bill and the fact that the division is significantly stronger than last, it was always unlikely that we were going to match or better our sixth place finish.
 
homeless kid said:
Fair point with Durban Reid.

I dunno how long Durban was in charge of recruitment in the Reid era tbh I thought it was all driven by Reidy.

There are parallels to be drawn between then and now in that when Reid started out and brought in Quinn, Alex Rae, Chris Makin… it was all great.

But later on in his reign we brought in some massive duds - Nunez being the most noteworthy but also Fredgaard, Laslandes, Flo…

There are frustrations with the model as I think it’s being taken too far which is detrimental to our chances of promotion.

But the general quality of players on the pitch compared to 3 or 4 years ago is light years.
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Durban left and that was when the recruitment fell apart under Reid iirc. Stand to be corrected.
He left also because something wasn’t right and can’t recall what it was.
 
Chewit said:
Catapulted ? We got promoted via the playoffs from the third division and have sat comfortably just outside playoffs since we got promoted.
Creeped is a better word, creeped into play with a offs two seasons running. Hardly beyond expectations. I don’t remember Bob Murray being held in high esteem for getting us promoted from the third.
Apart from not having a striker and DCM, which are kind of basic needs for a football team of any level yes your right about the players


Surely you wouldn’t say that about the last two windows ?

What about the recruitment Alan Durban did in Peter Reid’s days. The most successful team in modern history
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Why do people spout this nonsense about the league one play offs. We went into them as the form team in the division on a long winless run. We didn't creep in, we were in because we deserved it .
 
homeless kid said:
Are you talking player recruitment or staff recruitment?

Player recruitment has been light years ahead of anything I’ve seen since the Denis smith days
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Player and Coach. There's only so many youngsters you can sign without having experience. In terms of player quality he's done well overall apart from a few duds
 
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