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Mrjardine said:
Sissoko got his move on back of playing we'll for France. Wijnaldum had done well prior to Rafa arriving. He got Townsend going mind.
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I disagree slightly, in as much as they had always delivered occasionally...he got them looking like they wanted to play football
 

Keith S30S said:
Don't talk f***ing dog shit.

Sam 31 games, 36 points.

Moyes 38 games, 24 points.

One is lower mid-table form over a season the other rock bottom of the table 9 years out of 10, embarrassing relegation.
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Fair comment, but who did he stay with for more than one full season.
 
Fat Lady Racing said:
I disagree slightly, in as much as they had always delivered occasionally...he got them looking like they wanted to play football
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I don't think they delivered consistently under Rafa either mind or else you probably would've stayed up.
It's quite painful at present mind watching our contrasting fortunes.

Fat Lady Racing said:
Fair comment, but who did he stay with for more than one full season.
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Bolton, blackburn and West Ham.
 
mr chuckles said:
I agree 100 percent I think he's a very good manager but I also think big Sam is .

But what I can't get my head around is that some of your fans won't admit it
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If I could think of another manager who works well with a limited squad, Sam would be top on obvious list
 
mr chuckles said:
He's a very pragmatic manager he will go long with the ball wait for his counter attacks. He will just sit back wait for the counter and set pieces.

Wasnt that the way allardyce had the mags set up, yet the mags didn't take to him for that style of football.

Now why was that, football fans are very fickle
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He won one game in 12 after October and that was a lucky win in the last minute. He was dogshit.
 
Mrjardine said:
I don't think they delivered consistently under Rafa either mind or else you probably would've stayed up.
It's quite painful at present mind watching our contrasting fortunes.


Bolton, blackburn and West Ham.
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But I seem to remember that they were all going t1ts up after that first season. Therefore allowing him to infer that a lack of support from the owner was destroying things. Palace are the clearest example...

I also don't do the hate thing so with regard to your current fortunes you have my sympathies.
 
mr chuckles said:
So what's the reason


Where were you in the table when he was sacked just out of interest
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Because he’s massively limited. He can get teams well drilled and make the dogged defensively but he hasn’t got the ability to work with talented players to seize the initiative and regularly take the game to opponents.
 
Fat Lady Racing said:
But I seem to remember that they were all going t1ts up after that first season. Therefore allowing him to infer that a lack of support from the owner was destroying things. Palace are the clearest example...

I also don't do the hate thing so with regard to your current fortunes you have my sympathies.
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Bolton certainly weren't and Blackburn were fine until his crazy sacking. West Ham as well were stabilised after he took over afte they were relegated. Yes he moaned in press about lack of backing etc but is that not just a bit of trying to force the boards hand? Benitez has been doing exactly that all summer.
 
Sima said:
Because he’s massively limited. He can get teams well drilled and make the dogged defensively but he hasn’t got the ability to work with talented players to seize the initiative and regularly take the game to opponents.
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Is that your opinion or opta stats

Sima said:
Because he’s massively limited. He can get teams well drilled and make the dogged defensively but he hasn’t got the ability to work with talented players to seize the initiative and regularly take the game to opponents.
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He did at Bolton mind with Jay Jay and the like
 
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Sima said:
Opta stats?
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Yes have you got the stats to back your argument up or is it just your opinion

Put it this way if Benitez and allardyce had the same squad to pick from all season would there be much of a difference in the final league position
 
mr chuckles said:
Is that your opinion or opta stats


He did at Bolton mind with Jay Jay and the like
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There’s a massive difference between Jay-Jay Okocha and the players he would have at his disposal if he were to get the job he thinks he deserves.
 
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