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Quality of the Premier League

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jlaws said:
Not on a Saturday night. I am sure I have the data, but someone on here suggested 17th a better index.
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I don't think 17th is a better index as that's not the 'target' for points for a team wanting to finish above the team in 18th.

I saw you just posted but I got bored earlier so did one anyway :lol: The red bars are the points from the team relegated and the green the points for the team just above relegation. As we saw last season was a huge gap as 29 points would have kept the team in 17th up. In more recent seasons the target for the 17th placed team has been at least a couple points less (the numbers shown in green bar are the points difference). I noticed it was quite close between 2007 and 2012 with 6 of the 8 seasons being no more than 1 point. The 8 seasons prior to that there were a few points gap but again the the first 6 seasons also having a lot of no more than 1 point gaps.

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first 3 seasons have just been prorated
 
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Sporty said:
I don't think 17th is a better index as that's not the 'target' for points for a team wanting to finish above the team in 18th.

I saw you just posted but I got bored earlier so did one anyway :lol: The red bars are the points from the team relegated and the green the points for the team just above relegation. As we saw last season was a huge gap as 29 points would have kept the team in 17th up. In more recent seasons the target for the 17th placed team has been at least a couple points less (the numbers shown in green bar are the points difference). I noticed it was quite close between 2007 and 2012 with 6 of the 8 seasons being no more than 1 point. The 8 seasons prior to that there were a few points gap but again the the first 6 seasons also having a lot of no more than 1 point gaps.

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first 3 seasons have just been prorated
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Good skills...lots of ways to thinking of it. I need to do it for each year but in 1992 the top 6 accumulated 36% of the points but last season it was 46% of the points.
 
What A Waster said:
Another dull day of premier league football.


So if the top flight is of poor standard, what does that make the championship, l1, l2?
All football is just poor or worse
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I said it elsewhere though not using these words. People look at it's wealth (Premiership) and swoon like some love sick teenage girl at a poster of her favourite pop star. People only judge football on it's wealth and success. Just like they judge other things like cars and people. The more money it's worth and the more success it has the more it can do no wrong. So for the Premiership, which is a joke from top to bottom, because it has too much of it everyone respects it.

On the other hand becuase League One and Two doesn't have enough of it, nobody respects it. A team beats another 2-0 away and takes another giant leap toward the biggest achievement a League One club wil ever achieve as a League One club that is becoming a Championship club, with all the new status entails, and they are just ignored. Yet Norwich can beat some other relegation threatened no-hoper 1-0 and it's all over the back pages.

You watch a team stay up in the Premiership and you watch a League One club become a Championship club, especially the following season, and you won't get two different emotions. The Premiership club that stops up aren';t arsed one bit. Yet first game of the new season at home for a L1 club as a Championship club and you might see the biggest party the world has ever known.

That is how much more life means to a League One club compared to the greedy, self serving mercenaries in the Premiership.
 
Depends what you mean by quality.:confused: I guess the best way to compare with other leagues is performance in UEFA competition. At semi-final stage, majority (4/7) of Premier League clubs are still in contention. Next best is Spain and Germany with two teams remaining. There are premier league sides left in all three competitions of Champions League, Europa and Conference tournament, no other league has teams in more than one of those competitions.

It wasn't that long ago that the overwhelming majority of players in our top flight were British/Irish but now you see some of the best players in the world. And since all the clubs get massive TV money you've got Brazil internationals like Richarlison or Raphinha in relegation battles.:eek:

I recall Wenger was the first foreign manager to win the title and Mourinho the next around the turn of the century but now you've got Guardiola v Klopp v Tuchel v Conte etc. These continental/south American players & managers have changed the style, probably slower now and less end-to-end with more emphasis on retaining possession and less direct (long ball etc) tactics which some will not find as entertaining. The standard is higher though imo.

jsdftm04 said:
Brentford have a go at teams. I'm looking at your Norwichs, watfords, Brighton etc.
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Don't Brighton have a go? They usually just can't seem to finish their chances. Won away to Spurs today though.;)
 
Shrew said:
Depends what you mean by quality.:confused: I guess the best way to compare with other leagues is performance in UEFA competition. At semi-final stage, majority (4/7) of Premier League clubs are still in contention. Next best is Spain and Germany with two teams remaining. There are premier league sides left in all three competitions of Champions League, Europa and Conference tournament, no other league has teams in more than one of those competitions.

It wasn't that long ago that the overwhelming majority of players in our top flight were British/Irish but now you see some of the best players in the world. And since all the clubs get massive TV money you've got Brazil internationals like Richarlison or Raphinha in relegation battles.:eek:

I recall Wenger was the first foreign manager to win the title and Mourinho the next around the turn of the century but now you've got Guardiola v Klopp v Tuchel v Conte etc. These continental/south American players & managers have changed the style, probably slower now and less end-to-end with more emphasis on retaining possession and less direct (long ball etc) tactics which some will not find as entertaining. The standard is higher though imo.


Don't Brighton have a go? They usually just can't seem to finish their chances. Won away to Spurs today though.;)
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Brighton are a top class centre forward away from being a very good side
 
Perseus said:
This season there seems to be several groups

Man City

Liverpool

Arsenal
Chelsea

Spurs
Man United

The Rest
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Who is best of the rest: West Ham?
Shrew said:
Depends what you mean by quality.:confused: I guess the best way to compare with other leagues is performance in UEFA competition. At semi-final stage, majority (4/7) of Premier League clubs are still in contention. Next best is Spain and Germany with two teams remaining. There are premier league sides left in all three competitions of Champions League, Europa and Conference tournament, no other league has teams in more than one of those competitions.

It wasn't that long ago that the overwhelming majority of players in our top flight were British/Irish but now you see some of the best players in the world. And since all the clubs get massive TV money you've got Brazil internationals like Richarlison or Raphinha in relegation battles.:eek:

I recall Wenger was the first foreign manager to win the title and Mourinho the next around the turn of the century but now you've got Guardiola v Klopp v Tuchel v Conte etc. These continental/south American players & managers have changed the style, probably slower now and less end-to-end with more emphasis on retaining possession and less direct (long ball etc) tactics which some will not find as entertaining. The standard is higher though imo.


Don't Brighton have a go? They usually just can't seem to finish their chances. Won away to Spurs today though.;)
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Spurs v BHA was a 0-1 massacre, BHA on top for 88/90 minutes
 
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The amount of really good English players, in the PL, seems to be decreasing.

I'm sure watching your local team, full of non-English, win the league or CL must be good.

But it always makes me think of how exciting it was watching Celtic win the real European Cup with a bunch of blokes from the same postcode ... and I prefer Rangers.

Football is fake these days and we all have to pretend it's not. A typical example of making something worse by 'improving' it.
 
jsdftm04 said:
Absolutely on its arse isn't it?

I remember when we were in there and I could watch two random bottom half sides on sky and it was decent. These days it's never a decent game, quality is on the floor and boring.

Most competitive league in the world, probably aye. But there's much better entertainment in numerous European leagues.
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We were easily one of the worst to watch for a neutral we played some awful football most seasons with the odd good game here and there.
 
Reflecting on out last 2 home games. I would feel cheated if I were a Wolves or Leicester away fan. 2 teams who came and showed very little ambition or effort to win a game, which in both instances was essentially a free hit with very limited repercussions if they lost.

Wolves in particular were about the least adventurous side I have ever watched. Didn't make sense to me. I guess that's kind of what the OP was getting at really.
 
Sabre Mag said:
Reflecting on out last 2 home games. I would feel cheated if I were a Wolves or Leicester away fan. 2 teams who came and showed very little ambition or effort to win a game, which in both instances was essentially a free hit with very limited repercussions if they lost.

Wolves in particular were about the least adventurous side I have ever watched. Didn't make sense to me. I guess that's kind of what the OP was getting at really.
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Sounds like rafa
 
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