Put a flat earthier into space

[Nukehasslefan]

What have hill's and tunnels got to do with flying across the world.

Your globe against my level.
It's a massive issue for the globe.

It's like me asking you if you prefer a chocolate éclair or a melba in relation to flight times.

Ermmm, no.

Look you said you could make them work, you haven't so as far as I'm concerned, until you do, my work is done in proving you wrong.

Make them work for what?
I've made them work by taking out the curve and offered reality of level.

Fly near the North Pole to get to Australia from England

I don't see anything near any pole.

 

[Pink Panther]

Add another. Make 30.

You must think Flighttracker is in on it too.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

You must think Flighttracker is in on it too.

No flights from Argentina to Australia today?

 

[legend7]

I don't see anything near any pole.

Draw a flight route from uk to australia on your map.
The most efficient a that's what an airline would do

 

[What A Waster]

The hill or the tunnel.

Yep without knowing what that distance is in time and mph to gauge it.

You wanting me to mark more when you already discard it. Ermmmm, no.



No problem. Do you know if you take a convex curved path or a level flight path to destination?

Maybe but over convex of level flight?

Do they need to be altered or does the route change from convex to level?

Convex, level, upside down. It matters not. Lemon squeezer, globe, disc. It doesn't matter.
The times of those flights, plus the supposed distances match up.

Newcastle to Mallorca is reported to be 1089 miles. It takes 2.5 hours.

1089/2.5 = 435mph

London to New York about 3500 miles. 8 hours.

3500/8 = 437mph

Weird that the distance and travel time work out quite accurately.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Draw a flight route from uk to australia on your map.
The most efficient a that's what an airline would do

The most efficient would be a straight line but that would be subject to other countries rules on airspace.
How about you tell me?

Convex, level, upside down. It matters not. Lemon squeezer, globe, disc. It doesn't matter.
The times of those flights, plus the supposed distances match up.

Match up to what?
A spinning globe?
Then your flight convexly curved to destination as opposed to level.
So basically what I'm saying is, you take out the curved path and straighten it. You level it and then you have reality.

 

[What A Waster]

The most efficient would be a straight line but that would be subject to other countries rules on airspace.
How about you tell me?

Match up to what?
A spinning globe?
Then your flight convexly curved to destination as opposed to level.
So basically what I'm saying is, you take out the curved path and straighten it. You level it and then you have reality.

I've never mentioned a spinning globe. I'm saying known and accepted distances between places all work with flight times and reported distances, whether on a lemon squeezer or a globe or owt else. Just distances is what I'm on about.
No mention of rotation.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

No it's not.

Of course it is. An inch is an inch whether it's a straight line or wrapped around your bellend, it's the same.
If it's 1000 miles from a to b on a globe, it's 1000 miles and that's that. It doesn't get shorter or longer if you flatten out the map.

 

[legend7]

The most efficient would be a straight line but that would be subject to other countries rules on airspace.
How about you tell me?

I've told you the routes that are actually flown, why do they fly that way when looking at your map they would go in the opposite direction to through Europe?

 

[fyl2u]

They are distances based on a so-called globe. Based on a so-called great circle.

They can work on a circular map. I've just shown you the basics.
They may not suit you but they suit me in argument against it.

Many have. Whether they fit reality is another thing. One thing for sure. the global one does not fit reality.

Wrong

I don't think you're getting it.

Your globe offers a great circle flight. It would have to. You have to follow the convex curve exactly in that fictional circumstance.
Basically if you're looking at a direct flight this is what's on offer for your fictional globe.

So your air miles are based off of that.
I'm sure you know what I mean.

I'm not talking about a lemon squeezer I'm talking about your globe.

Wrong

 

[Pink Panther]

No flights from Argentina to Australia today?

Not via Europe

 

[fyl2u]

No it's not.

 

[SYB_DC]

No flights from Argentina to Australia today?

If you pick the countries next door, you'll find that LATAM flies from Santiago to Auckland three times per week.

Unless you're denying that Chile is next to Argentina or that New Zealand is fairly near Australia, the point is essentially the same.

 

[fyl2u]

Your globe against my level.
It's a massive issue for the globe.



Ermmm, no.

Make them work for what?
I've made them work by taking out the curve and offered reality of level.

I don't see anything near any pole.

Your "level" is wrong. It kills your flat earth stone dead. So does your map. So do a thousand other things that have been discussed on this thread.

 

[Pink Panther]

Your "level" is wrong. It kills your flat earth stone dead. So does your map. So do a thousand other things that have been discussed on this thread.

Other than all that though?

 

[What A Waster]

Proper bright moon tonight.

Clear sky as well.

Some great points of light visible in reflection off the dome. The moon ice reflection looks great. The so called stars are good as well. Good opportunity to spot bits of melting ice

 

[DaveH]

Fantastic. This is a brilliant insight into the mind of a conspiracy theorist, which is what they thread was about in the first place.

We have had about 3 weeks back and forward of a few of us saying accepted, measured and well travelled distances don’t work on a 2d map and he says they do. It hit a stalemate until he tried to prove it. And then failed completely to draw five or six cities a well known distance apart.

Naturally this was picked apart and when faced with a choice, what does a conspiracy theorist do?
1) Say a mistake might have been made and go and try again?
2) Admit defeat and say that a 2d map of the world we live in just doesn’t work and is why no other flat earth fanatic has ever produced a map that works, or
3) Double down, assume what they drew was correct and that all the distances are wrong.

One one option really, 3 all the way. We now have a suggestion that all the measured distances are wrong, flight times are wrong or planes fly really really fast over distances that don’t work, but going the least efficient route just so they behave like they would on a globe, for reasons unknown.

While flight times are easy to access, lets not forget about shipping. While some of these flight routes now take passengers over the huge landmasses of the northern hemisphere, boats somehow do the same. Now this might be my global brainwashing mentality at play, but I’m of the belief that traditionally boats only really work on water.

It is the same with and conspiracy theory that starts to break down. Believe the lie is bigger than first thought and you can wave away any inconvenient truth.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Quantas do. They actually go near your magic ice wall

I don't have a magic ice wall.

I've never mentioned a spinning globe. I'm saying known and accepted distances between places all work with flight times and reported distances, whether on a lemon squeezer or a globe or owt else. Just distances is what I'm on about.
No mention of rotation.

It all has to be factored in I'm afraid.
I know you want to throw aside the global curve and the spin because it doesn't help the cause but from my side, it helps mine immensely.
It shows the global map is not legitimate.

Of course it is. An inch is an inch whether it's a straight line or wrapped around your bellend, it's the same.
If it's 1000 miles from a to b on a globe, it's 1000 miles and that's that. It doesn't get shorter or longer if you flatten out the map.

If you think a curved stick touching the ground at each end would offer the same ground distance if that stick was straightened out then you go for it but you know you're wrong.

Not via Europe

Not via anywhere by the looks of it.

 

[legend7]

I don't have a magic ice wall.

It all has to be factored in I'm afraid.
I know you want to throw aside the global curve and the spin because it doesn't help the cause but from my side, it helps mine immensely.
It shows the global map is not legitimate.

If you think a curved stick touching the ground at each end would offer the same ground distance if that stick was straightened out then you go for it but you know you're wrong.

Not via anywhere by the looks of it.

So airline pilots calculate distance taking into account a global curve that according to you doesn't exist in the first place.
Sorry I don't understand?
As @DaveH Said, what about boats, after all water is completely flat?

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

If you think a curved stick touching the ground at each end would offer the same ground distance if that stick was straightened out then you go for it but you know you're wrong.

But we're not talking about curved sticks, we we're talking about the distance between two points.