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Put a flat earthier into space

Of course we're not. Why? Because we absolutely do not live on a spinning globe in a space vacuum.

Aye and sailing on it. Want to know why?
Because there is no curvature.

I explained it and you didn't get it. That's your issue, not mine.

I've done quite a few experiments with very low pressure. None in a vacuum because a vacuum does not exist.
I'm on about a left to right curve as you drive you dipstick as you mentioned you would feel the curve if you were driving on a road with a 24000 mile curve.

You couldn't explain it or draw a section we all know that.

Could you share these experiments to back up your claims then please?
So as the world comes to terms with artificial intelligence, one small corner of the internet ponders the existence of artificial stupidity.
Nowt artificial about his stupidity it's 100% real.
 
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So at the fourth time of asking you can not say why polar explorers were wrong or liars.
Yes. They simply stop because they can't go any farther.
I don't believe men landed on the moon.
I don't believe rockets go into space.
I don't believe man has descended down 7 miles of ocean.
And so on and so on.

Now you can make up your own mind on what I think about who is mistaken and who are not offering facts.

You can not say what a compass would do on your fantasy earth. Floundering again, best move on.
A compass will point to whatever you set it to. N.S.E.W.
Then you simply follow it.
What does that do?
It'll take you around the circle E.W or towards the centre N or towards the dome foundation S.
What it won't do is get you there. But it will get you to landmass in those directions.

What it will not do is allow you to navigate a spinning globe.
Why?
Because we do not live on a spinning globe.
But 1000mph regardless of size. You really don’t get where the figure comes from do you? It has absolutely everything to do with size.
1000 mph is just that. I don't care if the size is a million miles.

Your Earth bulges at the equator you are told.
Why?
Because of this 1000 mph spin you are told.

But now it's so slow like a clock because you see a bright light in the sky that takes 24 hours to go around and that's due to your Earth spin you are told..........but it's slow, it's not....it's slow....it's not.

It's utter nonsense.
 
A compass will point to whatever you set it to. N.S.E.W.
Then you simply follow it.
What does that do?
It'll take you around the circle E.W or towards the centre N or towards the dome foundation S.
What it won't do is get you there. But it will get you to landmass in those directions.

What it will not do is allow you to navigate a spinning globe.
Why?
Because we do not live on a spinning globe.
But you can keep going towards the centre until you reach a landmass opposite the one you left and your compass points back to the centre, how does that work?
 
Any chance on telling me why the Earth supposedly bulges at the equator based on what you're now saying about how slow it's going?

The earth's rock surface used to be molten, i.e. a thick liquid like lava, and back then the world was spinning faster than it is now. The Earth's spin is gradually slowing down due to various forces. In about 150,000 years for example, a day will be about 27 hours long.

As the earth cooled, the molten rock began to set in place, hence the bulge that still exists today, and then the Earth's spin continued to slow down.

Imagine it like the spinning swinging chairs fairground ride. As the ride speeds up, the chairs swing outwards from the force of the spin until they're almost horizontal, but then as it it slows down, the chairs eventually return to their vertical resting positions.

All motion requires a medium. All.
Earth itself requires a medium.

I'd say the Earth is closer to a large than a medium.

Yes, to an extent you're right, but a vacuum is also a medium if we're using that version of the terminology.

Yep meaning it applies to everything. two laws of motion equal using a medium. Both laws are just an extension of one main law. The other so called law does not exist as a law.

A medium is required for everything.

The THREE laws of motion apply everywhere, regardless of what the medium is.

The THREE laws are not extensions of each other at all. They are distinct, different, and describe different aspects of motion.

The air escapes in one direction only.

That is correct. It pushes in every direction but is held back by the skin of the balloon in all directions except the direction of the hole, therefore all the internal forces cancel each other out with the exception of the one in the opposite direction of the hole, thereby creating motion in that direction.

Out of the nozzle against atmospheric pressure.

Out of the nozzle, yes. The atmospheric pressure outside the balloon has nothing to do with the direction of motion though, it only affects the speed at which the air inside the balloon escapes.

In a vacuum, it escape faster because there's less pressure outside preventing the escape, and so the speed of travel of the balloon would be much faster than it would be if released in air.


What do you think a medium is?
You're saying it's irrelevant whilst making it relevant.

The medium is irrelevant to the direction of travel of the balloon. The lower the pressure outside the balloon, the faster the balloon will travel in the opposite direction. A balloon released in a vacuum would travel much faster than the same balloon released in your living room.

No.
In extreme low pressure there is absolutely little reactionary force against what is expelled which means you get extremely tiny movement.

You're wrong. The lack of friction from the air makes movement easier, not harder. Just watch that video I posted earlier today of the world's largest vacuum chamber - when released in a vacuum, the feathers fall to the ground at the exact same speed as the bowling ball due to the lack of friction from air.

In so called space which is said to be a vacuum and said to not even be low pressure, your rocket and craft are an impossibility to even get there never mind stay in that set up.

A vacuum is the lowest possible pressure medium.

Just because you don't understand how rockets work, doesn't mean it's an impossibility.

The best any rocket could do is to get to a certain height before arcing back down to the ground. All done in atmosphere.

Very VERY wrong.

Yeah so we're told.
The reality is, it wouldn't work at all.

Not true at all.

If you try and see what happens to a near fully deflated balloon in a low pressure chamber you'll see that the air inside it expands as the air around it is evacuated.
Why?
Because the air inside that balloon has to fill the gap left by evacuated air from the chamber, which is why you see the balloon expand.
It's all about clearing the mind and seeing past the stories.

The phenomenon you're describing is completely true, and that's exactly why the balloon would travel faster on release in a vacuum than in your living room.

The much lower pressure in a vacuum means that the relative pressure between the air inside the balloon and the medium outside the balloon is greater, which in turn produces a greater effect when the balloon is released.

Thanks for providing the perfect example of why you're wrong about this.

All the propellant is doing is pushing against the atmosphere.

No, the propellant is pushing against the spacecraft, not against the atmosphere. We've all explained this to you many times.

Burning propellant expands massively against the atmosphere

Burning propellant expands massively against the spacecraft.

and causes that atmosphere to be heavily compressed which creates an immediate crush back reaction to create the very foundation of denser air for the rocket to consistently sit atop of with every second of thrust to weight ratio, ensuring the rocket stays balances and vertical until the fuel becomes spent....in short order.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

What absolute gibberish.

There's none to enable motion.
There's zero reactionary gases to enable a push against. The expelled gases would simply expand massively into the so called space vacuum.

Your fundamental understanding of what makes the motion happen is wrong, so all your arguments about this are based on that wrong assumption.

The force of the propellant is acting against the spacecraft. That's what causes the motion of the spacecraft.

In our atmosphere, the expulsion of the exhaust reaction ALSO pushes against the air outside it, causing that air to be pushed away (don't stand in the way of the exhaust reaction if you ever try this experiment at home or you'll be fried), but always remember the EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION - it happens in all directions at once but if there's only one direction the exhaust reaction can escape because the craft itself is blocking all the other directions, then the NET FORCE propels the craft away from the reaction.

NEWTON, BABY!

The dynamite reacts with atmosphere to push the box away.

The dynamite creates an exothermic reaction that does indeed require oxygen to make it happen, but do honestly believe that if you supplied a bunch of dynamite with an oxygen supply (say, by supplying it with liquid oxygen) in a vacuum, it wouldn't push away a cardboard box sitting next to it?

I can assure you it would.

It creates a massive air blast.

The surrounding air is indeed pushed away, just like the box would be. It's unnecessary to the motion of the box though.

Tell me, what do you think would happen if the dynamite were actually glued to the side of the box nin such a way that there was no air in between the dynamite and the box? Do you think the box would just sit still when the dynamite exploded because there was no air in between them to push it away?

Your space rocket creates nothing.

It does, it creates a massive blast of propellant.

Even by some kind of fantasy of a rocket being placed into this so called vacuum, it's an immediate dead stick.

You're wrong. This is EXACTLY how spacecraft move in space.
The fact we're told it bulges due to the spin and then argued against when we don't feel any spin, is utter utter laughable nonsense.
The more I look at it all the stronger I become in terms of seeing it for the absurdity it all is.

The more you look at it through your bizarre flat-earther eyes, the more deluded you become, and the stronger the smell of your own bullshittery becomes.
Aye and sailing on it. Want to know why?
Because there is no curvature.

You're clutching at straws now, like. Your obvious stress at being tucked so many times in short succession is having a noticeable effect on your posting style.
I've done quite a few experiments with very low pressure. None in a vacuum because a vacuum does not exist.

Have you bollocks.
 
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The earth's rock surface used to be molten, i.e. a thick liquid like lava, and back then the world was spinning faster than it is now. The Earth's spin is gradually slowing down due to various forces. In about 150,000 years for example, a day will be about 27 hours long.

As the earth cooled, the molten rock began to set in place, hence the bulge that still exists today, and then the Earth's spin continued to slow down.

Imagine it like the spinning swinging chairs fairground ride. As the ride speeds up, the chairs swing outwards from the force of the spin until they're almost horizontal, but then as it it slows down, the chairs eventually return to their vertical resting positions.



I'd say the Earth is closer to a large than a medium.

Yes, to an extent you're right, but a vacuum is also a medium if we're using that version of the terminology.



The THREE laws of motion apply everywhere, regardless of what the medium is.

The THREE laws are not extensions of each other at all. They are distinct, different, and describe different aspects of motion.



That is correct. It pushes in every direction but is held back by the skin of the balloon in all directions except the direction of the hole, therefore all the internal forces cancel each other out with the exception of the one in the opposite direction of the hole, thereby creating motion in that direction.



Out of the nozzle, yes. The atmospheric pressure outside the balloon has nothing to do with the direction of motion though, it only affects the speed at which the air inside the balloon escapes.

In a vacuum, it escape faster because there's less pressure outside preventing the escape, and so the speed of travel of the balloon would be much faster than it would be if released in air.




The medium is irrelevant to the direction of travel of the balloon. The lower the pressure outside the balloon, the faster the balloon will travel in the opposite direction. A balloon released in a vacuum would travel much faster than the same balloon released in your living room.



You're wrong. The lack of friction from the air makes movement easier, not harder. Just watch that video I posted earlier today of the world's largest vacuum chamber - when released in a vacuum, the feathers fall to the ground at the exact same speed as the bowling ball due to the lack of friction from air.



A vacuum is the lowest possible pressure medium.

Just because you don't understand how rockets work, doesn't mean it's an impossibility.



Very VERY wrong.



Not true at all.



The phenomenon you're describing is completely true, and that's exactly why the balloon would travel faster on release in a vacuum than in your living room.

The much lower pressure in a vacuum means that the relative pressure between the air inside the balloon and the medium outside the balloon is greater, which in turn produces a greater effect when the balloon is released.

Thanks for providing the perfect example of why you're wrong about this.



No, the propellant is pushing against the spacecraft, not against the atmosphere. We've all explained this to you many times.



Burning propellant expands massively against the spacecraft.



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

What absolute gibberish.



Your fundamental understanding of what makes the motion happen is wrong, so all your arguments about this are based on that wrong assumption.

The force of the propellant is acting against the spacecraft. That's what causes the motion of the spacecraft.

In our atmosphere, the expulsion of the exhaust reaction ALSO pushes against the air outside it, causing that air to be pushed away (don't stand in the way of the exhaust reaction if you ever try this experiment at home or you'll be fried), but always remember the EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION - it happens in all directions at once but if there's only one direction the exhaust reaction can escape because the craft itself is blocking all the other directions, then the NET FORCE propels the craft away from the reaction.

NEWTON, BABY!



The dynamite creates an exothermic reaction that does indeed require oxygen to make it happen, but do honestly believe that if you supplied a bunch of dynamite with an oxygen supply (say, by supplying it with liquid oxygen) in a vacuum, it wouldn't push away a cardboard box sitting next to it?

I can assure you it would.



The surrounding air is indeed pushed away, just like the box would be. It's unnecessary to the motion of the box though.

Tell me, what do you think would happen if the dynamite were actually glued to the side of the box nin such a way that there was no air in between the dynamite and the box? Do you think the box would just sit still when the dynamite exploded because there was no air in between them to push it away?



It does, it creates a massive blast of propellant.



You're wrong. This is EXACTLY how spacecraft move in space.


The more you look at it through your bizarre flat-earther eyes, the more deluded you become, and the stronger the smell of your own bullshittery becomes.


You're clutching at straws now, like. Your obvious stress at being tucked so many times in short succession is having a noticeable effect on your posting style.


Have you bollocks.
I enjoy how you respond in kind using his posting style. He probably hasn't noticed.
 
Yes. They simply stop because they can't go any farther.
I don't believe men landed on the moon.
I don't believe rockets go into space.
I don't believe man has descended down 7 miles of ocean.
And so on and so on.

Now you can make up your own mind on what I think about who is mistaken and who are not offering facts.

I don't believe you've ever moved out of your parents' house.

I'm not offering it as fact, it's just my opinion.

It's definitely a 100% fact though. I'm just not offering it as fact.

A compass will point to whatever you set it to. N.S.E.W.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Here's a new one for the quotes list, boys.

Outstanding!


Then you simply follow it.
What does that do?
It'll take you around the circle E.W or towards the centre N or towards the dome foundation S.
What it won't do is get you there. But it will get you to landmass in those directions.

What it will not do is allow you to navigate a spinning globe.
Why?
Because we do not live on a spinning globe.

OK admit it, you've been drinking tonight haven't you? This is priceless.

1000 mph is just that. I don't care if the size is a million miles.

That's where you're going wrong, marra.

Come on, use my calculations for the centrifugal force from that reply I posted earlier today but replace the radius with that of a million mile sized curve and see what the force would be pushing you outward.

I'll give you a cookie if you even attempt it.

Your Earth bulges at the equator you are told.
Why?
Because of this 1000 mph spin you are told.

No, because of the faster spin the Earth had when the rock of the crust of the planet was still molten.

We are told.


But now it's so slow like a clock because you see a bright light in the sky that takes 24 hours to go around and that's due to your Earth spin you are told..........but it's slow, it's not....it's slow....it's not.

It's utter nonsense.

You're the one talking nonsense.
 
Yes. They simply stop because they can't go any farther.
I don't believe men landed on the moon.
I don't believe rockets go into space.
I don't believe man has descended down 7 miles of ocean.
And so on and so on.

Now you can make up your own mind on what I think about who is mistaken and who are not offering facts.


A compass will point to whatever you set it to. N.S.E.W.
Then you simply follow it.
What does that do?
It'll take you around the circle E.W or towards the centre N or towards the dome foundation S.
What it won't do is get you there. But it will get you to landmass in those directions.

What it will not do is allow you to navigate a spinning globe.
Why?
Because we do not live on a spinning globe.

1000 mph is just that. I don't care if the size is a million miles.

Your Earth bulges at the equator you are told.
Why?
Because of this 1000 mph spin you are told.

But now it's so slow like a clock because you see a bright light in the sky that takes 24 hours to go around and that's due to your Earth spin you are told..........but it's slow, it's not....it's slow....it's not.

It's utter nonsense.
If the explorers just stop, why do they claim they have been to the poles or crossed the Arctic or Antartic? None have come back and said “sorry, didn’t make it, impossible”.


But the spin of the earth, think it through will you. We can guide you. First of all, do you know how to calculate speed?
I don't believe you've ever moved out of your parents' house.

I'm not offering it as fact, it's just my opinion.

It's definitely a 100% fact though. I'm just not offering it as fact.



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Here's a new one for the quotes list, boys.

Outstanding!




OK admit it, you've been drinking tonight haven't you? This is priceless.



That's where you're going wrong, marra.

Come on, use my calculations for the centrifugal force from that reply I posted earlier today but replace the radius with that of a million mile sized curve and see what the force would be pushing you outward.

I'll give you a cookie if you even attempt it.



No, because of the faster spin the Earth had when the rock of the crust of the planet was still molten.

We are told.




You're the one talking nonsense.
I actually missed that one, I think my bullshit filter was full. But good spot. Following on from not all right angles are equal, we have a compass doesn’t point north.

A few times I have been tempted to go through this thread and pull out all these nuggets into a compendium. But it will take ages and I fear my brain will turn to yoghurt reading it again. He will only deny half of it anyway, even if I like directly to posts. That has happened many times before.
 
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If the explorers just stop, why do they claim they have been to the poles or crossed the Arctic or Antartic? None have come back and said “sorry, didn’t make it, impossible”.


But the spin of the earth, think it through will you. We can guide you. First of all, do you know how to calculate speed?

I actually missed that one, I think my bullshit filter was full. But good spot. Following on from not all right angles are equal, we have a compass doesn’t point north.

A few times I have been tempted to go through this thread and pull out all these nuggets into a compendium. But it will take ages and I fear my brain will turn to yoghurt reading it again. He will only deny half of it anyway, even if I like directly to posts. That has happened many times before.
what posts do you speak of in what we are discussing. Quality this deflection tactic vocab whilst applying one set of rules to one argument but then a different set to another. Amazing.
 
The earth's rock surface used to be molten, i.e. a thick liquid like lava, and back then the world was spinning faster than it is now. The Earth's spin is gradually slowing down due to various forces. In about 150,000 years for example, a day will be about 27 hours long.

As the earth cooled, the molten rock began to set in place, hence the bulge that still exists today, and then the Earth's spin continued to slow down.

Imagine it like the spinning swinging chairs fairground ride. As the ride speeds up, the chairs swing outwards from the force of the spin until they're almost horizontal, but then as it it slows down, the chairs eventually return to their vertical resting positions.



I'd say the Earth is closer to a large than a medium.

Yes, to an extent you're right, but a vacuum is also a medium if we're using that version of the terminology.



The THREE laws of motion apply everywhere, regardless of what the medium is.

The THREE laws are not extensions of each other at all. They are distinct, different, and describe different aspects of motion.



That is correct. It pushes in every direction but is held back by the skin of the balloon in all directions except the direction of the hole, therefore all the internal forces cancel each other out with the exception of the one in the opposite direction of the hole, thereby creating motion in that direction.



Out of the nozzle, yes. The atmospheric pressure outside the balloon has nothing to do with the direction of motion though, it only affects the speed at which the air inside the balloon escapes.

In a vacuum, it escape faster because there's less pressure outside preventing the escape, and so the speed of travel of the balloon would be much faster than it would be if released in air.




The medium is irrelevant to the direction of travel of the balloon. The lower the pressure outside the balloon, the faster the balloon will travel in the opposite direction. A balloon released in a vacuum would travel much faster than the same balloon released in your living room.



You're wrong. The lack of friction from the air makes movement easier, not harder. Just watch that video I posted earlier today of the world's largest vacuum chamber - when released in a vacuum, the feathers fall to the ground at the exact same speed as the bowling ball due to the lack of friction from air.



A vacuum is the lowest possible pressure medium.

Just because you don't understand how rockets work, doesn't mean it's an impossibility.



Very VERY wrong.



Not true at all.



The phenomenon you're describing is completely true, and that's exactly why the balloon would travel faster on release in a vacuum than in your living room.

The much lower pressure in a vacuum means that the relative pressure between the air inside the balloon and the medium outside the balloon is greater, which in turn produces a greater effect when the balloon is released.

Thanks for providing the perfect example of why you're wrong about this.



No, the propellant is pushing against the spacecraft, not against the atmosphere. We've all explained this to you many times.



Burning propellant expands massively against the spacecraft.



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

What absolute gibberish.



Your fundamental understanding of what makes the motion happen is wrong, so all your arguments about this are based on that wrong assumption.

The force of the propellant is acting against the spacecraft. That's what causes the motion of the spacecraft.

In our atmosphere, the expulsion of the exhaust reaction ALSO pushes against the air outside it, causing that air to be pushed away (don't stand in the way of the exhaust reaction if you ever try this experiment at home or you'll be fried), but always remember the EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION - it happens in all directions at once but if there's only one direction the exhaust reaction can escape because the craft itself is blocking all the other directions, then the NET FORCE propels the craft away from the reaction.

NEWTON, BABY!



The dynamite creates an exothermic reaction that does indeed require oxygen to make it happen, but do honestly believe that if you supplied a bunch of dynamite with an oxygen supply (say, by supplying it with liquid oxygen) in a vacuum, it wouldn't push away a cardboard box sitting next to it?

I can assure you it would.



The surrounding air is indeed pushed away, just like the box would be. It's unnecessary to the motion of the box though.

Tell me, what do you think would happen if the dynamite were actually glued to the side of the box nin such a way that there was no air in between the dynamite and the box? Do you think the box would just sit still when the dynamite exploded because there was no air in between them to push it away?



It does, it creates a massive blast of propellant.



You're wrong. This is EXACTLY how spacecraft move in space.


The more you look at it through your bizarre flat-earther eyes, the more deluded you become, and the stronger the smell of your own bullshittery becomes.


You're clutching at straws now, like. Your obvious stress at being tucked so many times in short succession is having a noticeable effect on your posting style.


Have you bollocks.
Marra, you're trying to explain rocket science to someone who thinks right angles can vary in size, a compass can point in any direction and the Earth is flat.

I think it's a bit beyond him.
 
what posts do you speak of in what we are discussing. Quality this deflection tactic vocab whilst applying one set of rules to one argument but then a different set to another. Amazing.
I’m finding it amazing how someone can put forward so many scientific concepts and discuss the laws of motion while saying the size of the earth doesn’t matter even it was a million miles wide. 1000mph. That is the figure in the flat earth bible, that is all that matters. The bible is never wrong, it tells people to think for themselves.
 
Marra, you're trying to explain rocket science to someone who thinks right angles can vary in size, a compass can point in any direction and the Earth is flat.

I think it's a bit beyond him.

I know. I keep telling myself "stop, he's never going to get it, he's beyond remedial primary school deficiency" but then another part of me just yearns to teach the uneducated.
 
I’m finding it amazing how someone can put forward so many scientific concepts and discuss the laws of motion while saying the size of the earth doesn’t matter even it was a million miles wide. 1000mph. That is the figure in the flat earth bible, that is all that matters. The bible is never wrong, it tells people to think for themselves.
he's just like a religious zealot professing all others are false whilst not applying the same scrutiny to his own faith.
I know. I keep telling myself "stop, he's never going to get it, he's beyond remedial primary school deficiency" but then another part of me just yearns to teach the uneducated.
it's worrying though that even the flat earth people can't get through to him. 60 years old and being this naive is shocking imo.
 
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If the explorers just stop, why do they claim they have been to the poles or crossed the Arctic or Antartic? None have come back and said “sorry, didn’t make it, impossible”.


But the spin of the earth, think it through will you. We can guide you. First of all, do you know how to calculate speed?

I actually missed that one, I think my bullshit filter was full. But good spot. Following on from not all right angles are equal, we have a compass doesn’t point north.

A few times I have been tempted to go through this thread and pull out all these nuggets into a compendium. But it will take ages and I fear my brain will turn to yoghurt reading it again. He will only deny half of it anyway, even if I like directly to posts. That has happened many times before.
It would be a scientific comedy compendium.
Has anyone had a look at "the bible" as written by "Parallax?
I've just read the intro.
I have no doubt our resident genius has read it 😂
 
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No, I argued it spins at half the speed of the hour hand on the clock. Keep up at the back.

You can demonstrate this for yourself, by using a 24 hour analogue clock like , just point the hour hand at the sun in the morning, and watch it remain in line with it until sunset, and then still be in line with it at sunrise the next day. A simple experiment.

I honestly did not know that! Just had a 'wow' moment!
 
I honestly did not know that! Just had a 'wow' moment!
This is why I love science, because of moments like this. It hadn't occurred to me until I was making the clock analogy earlier, then I just had a lightbulb moment and it all fitted into place perfectly. Like so many other proper scientific experiments people have posted on here that just work.
 
This is why I love science, because of moments like this. It hadn't occurred to me until I was making the clock analogy earlier, then I just had a lightbulb moment and it all fitted into place perfectly. Like so many other proper scientific experiments people have posted on here that just work.

No they don't. Zero proof has been offered. What if your clock is made of crisps? Time doesn't exist
 
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