Put a flat earthier into space

[The Snockerty Friddle]

You're welcome.

to what?

 

[Nukehasslefan]

to what?

To your thoughts.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

To your thoughts.

Why thank you. You're welcome to your ignorance.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Why thank you. You're welcome to your ignorance.

You too.

 

[Hend79]

One minute at the gym and shoulders back, arms out, and a deep "yeah"...

You're welcome.

What does that even mean? You really are clueless

 

[payne]

What does that even mean? You really are clueless

He's impervious to all thrown at him. He's above it all. He and he alone know the truth. He's the smartest man of the billions who've walked the earth.

That's what he means.

 

[legend7]

Before too long I can see you changing your tune, on the quiet mind you, not in front of the forum.

I'm away to Portugal tomorrow and I don't think there are enough drink or drugs Nukey

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

One minute at the gym and shoulders back, arms out, and a deep "yeah"...

You're welcome.

I just re-read that and noticed what a weird reply it was and I'm not even talking about the shoulders back, arms out part.

It's as if you think ignoring things makes them go away. You claim (yet again) that people cannot verify that we live on a globe or that it spins. I say I can but you ignore that because it doesn't fit your flat earth type narrative does it? We're all supposedly brainwashed into supporting the globe story and too stupid to realise or question it. Then the claim that people cannot verify space... I don't see why you have such a problem with space. I realise that when you put things down to magic and fantasy it just means it's something you don't understand, but what is so difficult about space? I mean, replace the word "space" with "the gaps in between stuff" and it's not so complicated is it? Ok we're talking about the gaps between stars and planets rather than the gap between your ears or the gaps in your education but still, same thing right? Fine, just gloss over both with a simple and irrelevant "you're welcome" and in a few posts no-one will remember right? No-one will remember the questions you dodged or the answers you ignored and you can carry on as normal pretending they never existed.
Nah people remember.

I get it, learning that Santa isn't real obviously hit you badly, especially on top of the whole tooth fairy thing too but get over it man, not everyone is lying to you.

Not everything is as complicated as you make out. Little stuff sticks to big stuff, big stuff therefore becomes bigger so even more of the little stuff sticks to it. Does that make a cube? A lemon squeezer? No, it makes a roughly ball shaped blob which would eventually become, to anyone insignificantly tiny by comparison who happened to evolve upon its surface, a globe. We live on a globe and can prove it with geometry and observation. It spins, which should be obvious to anyone who cares to check but again, we can prove it with our own observations. It orbits the Sun which we can also prove by observation.

OR

We could be dicks about it and say it's all a git big conspiracy. Whatever you're happy with, either way I'm ok with it.

But you're still wrong.

 

[DaveH]

Mine is for my theory as it stands, I do agree.
But the one you go with is pseudo-science is thrown out as fact, which it certainly is not.


A working model is the operative word. A working model.

You amend it if you believe it doesn't suit you.

Yes a model that scales up to match reality. Which is a hell of a lot closer than anything you have put forward. Very little of what you can observe works on your fantasy world or can be represented at scale in a lab or basic model. There is no maths to explain your fantasy world or predict when things are going to happen.

The exercise is for you to think out of the box. Piece the jigsaw instead of fighting it and you just never know.
Start by dismantling your schooled globe if you want to find out alternatives.
That's key but it has to be down to you, not me to aid in that as you well know, I'm an idiot so my help would be a hindrance.

Those distances can be made by tweaking that map. It's just a case of scaling it to fit the distances offered.

You keep saying tweak this tweak that as an explanation. Can you show us how you tweak it?

 

[Nukehasslefan]

I just re-read that and noticed what a weird reply it was and I'm not even talking about the shoulders back, arms out part.

It's as if you think ignoring things makes them go away.

No, not at all.

You claim (yet again) that people cannot verify that we live on a globe or that it spins.

I'm claiming it because it's true.

I say I can but you ignore that because it doesn't fit your flat earth type narrative does it?

It's nothing to do with it fitting any alternate theory, it simply cannot be seen by anyone. It's a story told and adhered to by many. That's it.
You simply have not seen a spinning globe yourself. You do not know if you live on one. You do not experience anything that offers you a clue to being on a globe other than being told and shown all kinds of books, videos and basically CGI that sort of rubberstamps your mindset onto a spinning globe.

Obviously, you're going to argue that I'm a fruit loop for suggesting it and all the rest. I accept that but it still doesn't change the fact you do not know if you're honest with yourself.

We're all supposedly brainwashed into supporting the globe story and too stupid to realise or question it.

It's nothing to do with being stupid. Brainwashed, yes but then again we're all brainwashed into many things.
You do not have to be stupid in any sense of the word and I do not regard you or any on here as stupid regardless of what you think of me.
There's so much put out there. So many stories and so many people adhering to them, plus schooling. It's understandable the narrative will be adhered to and held in high regard.
And also, I'm not telling you or anyone to disregard it. I'm simply saying I don't believe it one bit and all I say is, people have a choice to think outside of that box, or not.

Then the claim that people cannot verify space...

You can verify the sky and a night sky with points of light and such.
What I'm saying is, you can't verify the space you're told about.

I don't see why you have such a problem with space.

I have a problem with what's told to be space for obvious reasons. Many of which I've talked about.

I realise that when you put things down to magic and fantasy it just means it's something you don't understand, but what is so difficult about space?

There are lots of things I don't understand and of course, I don't understand the space we are offered. That's because it's fantasy. It's basically a misinformation lie.
What's so difficult?
Burning suns in a vacuum.
Spinning Earth around a burning sun.
Light year stars.
Black holes.
Probes billions of miles into a vacuum filled with balls of rock and ice and gas and liquids.
Supposed spacecraft propelling through a vacuum.
The list is long but there's a good start.

I know, it's because I don't understand and others do, because.....because.

I mean, replace the word "space" with "the gaps in between stuff" and it's not so complicated is it?

If you want to put it into that context and say a car p[arking space or an empty room full of space then fine. But we're not really arguing that, are we?
Because that space is full of matter.
The space we're arguing about is said to be devoid of matter or at best some scattered particles just floating about for some reason with empty space between them. It's utter utter nonsense in the absolute extreme.
Everything...and I mean everything has to be attached from what we see as solid to liquid to the atmosphere. Everything. No free space of absolutely nothing.
Nothing could work if there was one bit of free space.
Why?
Because everything works by vibration and frequencies and you do not get them with free space.

Ok we're talking about the gaps between stars and planets right?

Supposedly, yes.

Not everything is as complicated as you make out.

Your spinning globe is only complicated because the fantasy allows for it.
Santa and his flying sleigh and reindeer landing on roofs and delivering presents to everyone in one night is complicated to get your head around if you didn't realise it was fantasy.

Reality itself is not as complicated as it appears. It's just a case of being able to get down to the bare bones, kind of thing. Fantasy can be so complicated as to simply just enjoy the ride and not go into what makes it.

Little stuff sticks to big stuff, big stuff therefore becomes bigger so even more of the little stuff sticks to it. Does that make a cube? A lemon squeezer? No, it makes a roughly ball shaped blob which would eventually become, to anyone insignificantly tiny by comparison who happened to evolve upon its surface, a globe.

If you pour sand it will make a mound.
It certainly won't make a square.
But you expect a mound when you look at the stacking of atmosphere it's made within.
It doesn't form a ball and never could.
Foundation sees to that.

We live on a globe and can prove it with geometry and observation.

No, you can't.

It spins, which should be obvious to anyone who cares to check but again, we can prove it with our own observations.

The thing is it is not obvious to anyone because it simply does not spin. Our own senses and balance tell us that at the basic level.
No matter how a person looks at it they would never say the Earth spins if they weren't coaxed into that mindset. It really is as simple as that.
What you do see is things moving over and around the sky.

It orbits the Sun which we can also prove by observation.

Another thing you cannot prove except to show diagrams and gifs giving that impression.
Your observations offer you a moving light whilst you are still on Earth.

OR

We could be dicks about it and say it's all a git big conspiracy.

You don't have to be anything. You can simply say you believe you live on a spinning ball and I can say we do not.

Whatever you're happy with, either way I'm ok with it.

Good.

But you're still wrong.

We'll have to disagree on that.

Yes a model that scales up to match reality. Which is a hell of a lot closer than anything you have put forward.

You didn't put anything forward. You offered what was given to you and you take it as legitimate, which is all fine but the situation still does not change.

Very little of what you can observe works on your fantasy world or can be represented at scale in a lab or basic model.

To be brutally honest, nothing of what you observe works on the fantasy globe in reality. It only works on a model offered because it's been made to work like that.

There is no maths to explain your fantasy world or predict when things are going to happen.

There are none for your world either.

 

[Hend79]

I'm claiming it because it's true.

So give us the evidence that its true. Because everything you have said so far has been hilariously debunked and then you move onto another topic

You can verify the sky and a night sky with points of light and such.
What I'm saying is, you can't verify the space you're told about.

So what you are saying really is if we havent seen it ourselves how do we know its true?

I havent seen the Eiffel Tower in real life so that cant exist, the Sahara Desert? Nope havent seen that either so it must be a hoax, and dont even get me started on the pyramids!

You clearly dont understand anything so in your head it cant be true as you cant possibly be wrong can you?? Well yes you are wrong, about literally everything you have mentioned on this thread. As someone else has said you have been brainwashed into the most ridiculous cult ever and I hope this cult disappears as you are spreading disinformation and being disrespectful to literally every scientist, geologist, physicist on the (globe) planet.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

So give us the evidence that its true. Because everything you have said so far has been hilariously debunked and then you move onto another topic

Anything?

 

[DPTT]

Anything?

Yes absolutely anything to prove anything you have said is correct

 

[Nukehasslefan]

So what you are saying really is if we havent seen it ourselves how do we know its true?

Of course. That's the basic crux of it all for anything.

I havent seen the Eiffel Tower in real life so that cant exist, the Sahara Desert? Nope havent seen that either so it must be a hoax, and dont even get me started on the pyramids!

So what is your evidence that they are real?

You clearly dont understand anything so in your head it cant be true as you cant possibly be wrong can you??

I will always be wrong and so will you, so there's no argument to be had on this.

Well yes you are wrong, about literally everything you have mentioned on this thread.

In your opinion which I think is wrong, so, as above.

As someone else has said you have been brainwashed into the most ridiculous cult ever and I hope this cult disappears as you are spreading disinformation

You seem to be getting yourself into a frenzy. I'd suggest ignoring me, seriously.

and being disrespectful to literally every scientist, geologist, physicist on the (globe) planet.

I have no issue with scientists or physicists in Earth sciences.

Yes absolutely anything to prove anything you have said is correct

For my alternative Earth? No.
For my argument against a spinning globe? Yes.


Do you have anything to prove you are correct about a spinning globe without reliance on others?

 

[DPTT]

Of course. That's the basic crux of it all for anything.

So what is your evidence that they are real?

I will always be wrong and so will you, so there's no argument to be had on this.

In your opinion which I think is wrong, so, as above.

You seem to be getting yourself into a frenzy. I'd suggest ignoring me, seriously.

I have no issue with scientists or physicists in Earth sciences.

For my alternative Earth? No.
For my argument against a spinning globe? Yes.


Do you have anything to prove you are correct about a spinning globe without reliance on others?

Same response as usual

What’s your evidence without having to rely on others then

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Same response as usual

What’s your evidence without having to rely on others then

My evidence for us not being on a globe without reliance on anyone else is simply seeing water finding its own level and my own senses not detecting any movement of Earth but seeing movement in the sky.
Also, the various simple techniques to measure level and build level and plumb.

The simplest and basic stuff.

What can you offer for a spinning globe from your own point of view?

 

[DaveH]

No, not at all.

I'm claiming it because it's true.

It's nothing to do with it fitting any alternate theory, it simply cannot be seen by anyone. It's a story told and adhered to by many. That's it.
You simply have not seen a spinning globe yourself. You do not know if you live on one. You do not experience anything that offers you a clue to being on a globe other than being told and shown all kinds of books, videos and basically CGI that sort of rubberstamps your mindset onto a spinning globe.

Obviously, you're going to argue that I'm a fruit loop for suggesting it and all the rest. I accept that but it still doesn't change the fact you do not know if you're honest with yourself.

It's nothing to do with being stupid. Brainwashed, yes but then again we're all brainwashed into many things.
You do not have to be stupid in any sense of the word and I do not regard you or any on here as stupid regardless of what you think of me.
There's so much put out there. So many stories and so many people adhering to them, plus schooling. It's understandable the narrative will be adhered to and held in high regard.
And also, I'm not telling you or anyone to disregard it. I'm simply saying I don't believe it one bit and all I say is, people have a choice to think outside of that box, or not.

You can verify the sky and a night sky with points of light and such.
What I'm saying is, you can't verify the space you're told about.

I have a problem with what's told to be space for obvious reasons. Many of which I've talked about.


There are lots of things I don't understand and of course, I don't understand the space we are offered. That's because it's fantasy. It's basically a misinformation lie.
What's so difficult?
Burning suns in a vacuum.
Spinning Earth around a burning sun.
Light year stars.
Black holes.
Probes billions of miles into a vacuum filled with balls of rock and ice and gas and liquids.
Supposed spacecraft propelling through a vacuum.
The list is long but there's a good start.

I know, it's because I don't understand and others do, because.....because.

If you want to put it into that context and say a car p[arking space or an empty room full of space then fine. But we're not really arguing that, are we?
Because that space is full of matter.
The space we're arguing about is said to be devoid of matter or at best some scattered particles just floating about for some reason with empty space between them. It's utter utter nonsense in the absolute extreme.
Everything...and I mean everything has to be attached from what we see as solid to liquid to the atmosphere. Everything. No free space of absolutely nothing.
Nothing could work if there was one bit of free space.
Why?
Because everything works by vibration and frequencies and you do not get them with free space.

Supposedly, yes.


Your spinning globe is only complicated because the fantasy allows for it.
Santa and his flying sleigh and reindeer landing on roofs and delivering presents to everyone in one night is complicated to get your head around if you didn't realise it was fantasy.

Reality itself is not as complicated as it appears. It's just a case of being able to get down to the bare bones, kind of thing. Fantasy can be so complicated as to simply just enjoy the ride and not go into what makes it.

If you pour sand it will make a mound.
It certainly won't make a square.
But you expect a mound when you look at the stacking of atmosphere it's made within.
It doesn't form a ball and never could.
Foundation sees to that.

No, you can't.

The thing is it is not obvious to anyone because it simply does not spin. Our own senses and balance tell us that at the basic level.
No matter how a person looks at it they would never say the Earth spins if they weren't coaxed into that mindset. It really is as simple as that.
What you do see is things moving over and around the sky.


Another thing you cannot prove except to show diagrams and gifs giving that impression.
Your observations offer you a moving light whilst you are still on Earth.

You don't have to be anything. You can simply say you believe you live on a spinning ball and I can say we do not.

Good.

We'll have to disagree on that.

You didn't put anything forward. You offered what was given to you and you take it as legitimate, which is all fine but the situation still does not change.


To be brutally honest, nothing of what you observe works on the fantasy globe in reality. It only works on a model offered because it's been made to work like that.

There are none for your world either.

If there is no maths for the world of reality to accurately predict things, how do we constantly predict things? How does software link Stellarium get it absolutely perfect?

 

[DPTT]

My evidence for us not being on a globe without reliance on anyone else is simply seeing water finding its own level and my own senses not detecting any movement of Earth but seeing movement in the sky.
Also, the various simple techniques to measure level and build level and plumb.

The simplest and basic stuff.

What can you offer for a spinning globe from your own point of view?

So you are saying you have never heard or read about anyone other flat earther mentioning water level and you are the first to propose this?

 

[Nukehasslefan]

If there is no maths for the world of reality to accurately predict things, how do we constantly predict things? How does software link Stellarium get it absolutely perfect?

It's called shoehorning everything to fit the narrative.

Basically speaking it's a case of turning the circle into a ball by using known distances on that circle and transferring them to fit a ball.
This is why the so-called southern hemisphere is virtually empty on the global map. For good reason.

 

[Pink Panther]

The Earth is flat because Santa has reindeer. #science