Put a flat earthier into space

[Nukehasslefan]

Empty words as usual

Of course. Do you think I think you're absorbing any?

 

[Pink Panther]

What test did you do?

Can't remember saying I had, but I'm happy to be corrected. You were saying "Now I can go and prove to myself that water finds its own level" and I am pointing out that your results will be the same for a globe and an imaginary disc thing unless you use an appropriately scaled experiment. As you couldn't do anything that large, I would say that you can't prove to yourself that water level shows we aren't on a globe. In fact, you can't do any experiment or even observe anything that proves (or even suggests) we aren't on a globe.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Can't remember saying I had, but I'm happy to be corrected.

No, it's ok. You maybe haven't tested anything.

You were saying "Now I can go and prove to myself that water finds its own level" and I am pointing out that your results will be the same for a globe and an imaginary disc thing unless you use an appropriately scaled experiment.

I don't know what you mean by disc. I don't subscribe to any disc.
Maybe you haven't been in the thread much. If not then maybe read it from the start.

As you couldn't do anything that large, I would say that you can't prove to yourself that water level shows we aren't on a globe.

I don't think it takes much of anything to prove water will not find its own level on a ball.

In fact, you can't do any experiment or even observe anything that proves (or even suggests) we aren't on a globe.

I can and I have but forgive me if I don't go into it again. Maybe look back and find out about the topic.
It won't take too long to get up to speed.

 

[DPTT]

Of course. Do you think I think you're absorbing any?

I read with interest what your “musings” are and they would make a great fantasy film.

Do I think any of it could be true

I mean has anyone ever said
Right lads we need to turn back I’ve just seen a huge f***ing ice wall and it’s getting too cold now anyway

 

[Nukehasslefan]

I read with interest what your “musings” are and they would make a great fantasy film.

I know when people take notice.

Do I think any of it could be true

I believe you do, yes.

I mean has anyone ever said
Right lads we need to turn back I’ve just seen a huge f***ing ice wall and it’s getting too cold now anyway

No, but then again this is not a trek, it's an exercise in thought, mainly.

 

[DPTT]

I know when people take notice.

I believe you do, yes.

No, but then again this is not a trek, it's an exercise in thought, mainly.

Unfortunately I don’t think anything is true mate

And what’s not a trek

 

[Pink Panther]

I don't think it takes much of anything to prove water will not find its own level on a ball.

That's because you haven't got a clue what you are talking about.

I can and I have but forgive me if I don't go into it again.

Sorry, not forgiven. You haven't and can't.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Unfortunately I don’t think anything is true mate

No issue here.

And what’s not a trek

Not one.

That's because you haven't got a clue what you are talking about.

Sorry, not forgiven. You haven't and can't.

It is what it is.

 

[Pink Panther]

It is what it is.

What is?

 

[Nukehasslefan]

What is?

Exactly.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

I'm claiming it because it's true.

No, you claim people cannot verify that we live on a spinning globe because you think it's true. It isn't.

It's nothing to do with it fitting any alternate theory, it simply cannot be seen by anyone.

Except for those who look.

It's a story told and adhered to by many. That's it.
You simply have not seen a spinning globe yourself.

While it's true I have not personally travelled into space and looked back at a spinning globe, that's not quite what was being disputed now is it you cheeky scamp.

You do not know if you live on one.

Yes I do. Honest.

You do not experience anything that offers you a clue to being on a globe other than being told and shown all kinds of books, videos and basically CGI that sort of rubberstamps your mindset onto a spinning globe.

Yes I do. Honest. I explained it but as it was probably about 500 piss filled pages ago you may have forgotten.

Obviously, you're going to argue that I'm a fruit loop for suggesting it and all the rest. I accept that but it still doesn't change the fact you do not know if you're honest with yourself.

And no matter how many times you say I don't know something, you cannot change the fact that I really, really do.

You can verify the sky and a night sky with points of light and such.

What? You mean by looking at stuff? Who'dathoughtit? Try looking for a bit longer.

What I'm saying is, you can't verify the space you're told about.

I don't need to for multiple reasons. I'm not the one who has trouble accepting that scientists, astronomers, astronauts and a whole host of others know their stuff better than I do. Also, I'm not the one making monumentally stupid claims about it while refusing to accept just how impossibly stupid they are.

There are lots of things I don't understand and of course, I don't understand the space we are offered. That's because it's fantasy. It's basically a misinformation lie.
What's so difficult?
Burning suns in a vacuum.
Spinning Earth around a burning sun.
Light year stars.
Black holes.
Probes billions of miles into a vacuum filled with balls of rock and ice and gas and liquids.
Supposed spacecraft propelling through a vacuum.
The list is long but there's a good start.

I know, it's because I don't understand and others do, because.....because.

Well there's one thing you got right.

If you want to put it into that context and say a car p[arking space or an empty room full of space then fine. But we're not really arguing that, are we?7

Well no, but we weren't really saying that I'd personally seen Earth from space either but that's where you took us. The space between planets is much the same as the space between cars, there's just less stuff in the space. You could argue that the space between cars is filled with air, but you could also say that the space between planets contains quite a bit of stuff too, dust, rocks, ice etc. Ok it's spread out thinly but there it is.

Because that space is full of matter.
The space we're arguing about is said to be devoid of matter or at best some scattered particles just floating about for some reason with empty space between them. It's utter utter nonsense in the absolute extreme.

Oh look! What did I just say?

“Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.”​

Your spinning globe is only complicated because the fantasy allows for it.

Just read that back to yourself slowly.

Santa and his flying sleigh and reindeer landing on roofs and delivering presents to everyone in one night is complicated to get your head around if you didn't realise it was fantasy.

You should see someone about your Santa fixation you know. I mean I'm only assuming you're older than about 7 and could be wrong about that given how mindknumbingly stupid you'd have to be to think that the sun, stars and planets are nothing but projections.

Reality itself is not as complicated as it appears. It's just a case of being able to get down to the bare bones, kind of thing.

Which you clearly cant.

If you pour sand it will make a mound.
It certainly won't make a square.
But you expect a mound when you look at the stacking of atmosphere it's made within.
It doesn't form a ball and never could.
Foundation sees to that.

Try pouring your sand away from the gravitational effect of that git big spinning globe you're sat on.

No, you can't.

Yes we can. (prove that we live on a globe with geometry and observation.) We really can.

The thing is it is not obvious to anyone because it simply does not spin. Our own senses and balance tell us that at the basic level.
No matter how a person looks at it they would never say the Earth spins if they weren't coaxed into that mindset. It really is as simple as that.
What you do see is things moving over and around the sky.

Now who's projecting? Just because you are unable to tell that Earth is spinning does not mean that no-one else can. I can. I've explained to you before how you can tell but as I said, it doesn't fit your mental lemon squeezer narrative so you wont even absorb the information.

Another thing you cannot prove except to show diagrams and gifs giving that impression.

Another thing you cannot prove, others can.

Your observations offer you a moving light whilst you are still on Earth.

Only if you simply look, fail to think and then move on.

You don't have to be anything. You can simply say you believe you live on a spinning ball and I can say we do not.

You have to be a bit ignorant to think we don't.

 

[Pink Panther]

Exactly.

Yes, I think that proves everything you have said so far...


is a load of shit.

 

[taipeisafc]

Simple stuff like theodolites, actual water level tubes, containers level marked showing water level. Too many to mention but all relevant.

Try pouring water on a ball of any size and watch it cascade off of it.
Why does it do this?
It's because it does not offer any container for it to find its level.

It's so simple and provable and so repeatable and observable.



It proves to build plumb and level.

In a fantasy world, yes. In reality, no.

If used correctly it will not prove anything for a globe. Nothing.

But how does building plumb and level prove or disprove earths curvature. You can have plumb on a curve and level on a curve........have you tried pouring water on a ball it runs over the surface of the ball clinging to the curves, now try it with a ball the size of the earth.

From "Introduction to serveying" from the Western Australian Government :-
Categories

There are two major categories of surveying:
1. Plane Surveying Plane surveying deals with areas of limited extent and it is assumed that the earth’s surface is a plane and therefore no corrections necessary for the earth’s curvature.
2. Geodetic Surveying Geodetic surveying is concerned with determining the size and shape of the earth and it also provides a high-accuracy framework for the control of lowerorder surveys. The highest standards of accuracy are necessary. Geodetic surveys cover relatively large areas (eg a state or country) for which the effects of earth curvature must be considered.

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[fyl2u]

No, not at all.

I'm claiming it because it's true.

It's nothing to do with it fitting any alternate theory, it simply cannot be seen by anyone. It's a story told and adhered to by many. That's it.
You simply have not seen a spinning globe yourself. You do not know if you live on one. You do not experience anything that offers you a clue to being on a globe other than being told and shown all kinds of books, videos and basically CGI that sort of rubberstamps your mindset onto a spinning globe.

Obviously, you're going to argue that I'm a fruit loop for suggesting it and all the rest. I accept that but it still doesn't change the fact you do not know if you're honest with yourself.

It's nothing to do with being stupid. Brainwashed, yes but then again we're all brainwashed into many things.
You do not have to be stupid in any sense of the word and I do not regard you or any on here as stupid regardless of what you think of me.
There's so much put out there. So many stories and so many people adhering to them, plus schooling. It's understandable the narrative will be adhered to and held in high regard.
And also, I'm not telling you or anyone to disregard it. I'm simply saying I don't believe it one bit and all I say is, people have a choice to think outside of that box, or not.

You can verify the sky and a night sky with points of light and such.
What I'm saying is, you can't verify the space you're told about.

I have a problem with what's told to be space for obvious reasons. Many of which I've talked about.


There are lots of things I don't understand and of course, I don't understand the space we are offered. That's because it's fantasy. It's basically a misinformation lie.
What's so difficult?
Burning suns in a vacuum.
Spinning Earth around a burning sun.
Light year stars.
Black holes.
Probes billions of miles into a vacuum filled with balls of rock and ice and gas and liquids.
Supposed spacecraft propelling through a vacuum.
The list is long but there's a good start.

I know, it's because I don't understand and others do, because.....because.

If you want to put it into that context and say a car p[arking space or an empty room full of space then fine. But we're not really arguing that, are we?
Because that space is full of matter.
The space we're arguing about is said to be devoid of matter or at best some scattered particles just floating about for some reason with empty space between them. It's utter utter nonsense in the absolute extreme.
Everything...and I mean everything has to be attached from what we see as solid to liquid to the atmosphere. Everything. No free space of absolutely nothing.
Nothing could work if there was one bit of free space.
Why?
Because everything works by vibration and frequencies and you do not get them with free space.

Supposedly, yes.


Your spinning globe is only complicated because the fantasy allows for it.
Santa and his flying sleigh and reindeer landing on roofs and delivering presents to everyone in one night is complicated to get your head around if you didn't realise it was fantasy.

Reality itself is not as complicated as it appears. It's just a case of being able to get down to the bare bones, kind of thing. Fantasy can be so complicated as to simply just enjoy the ride and not go into what makes it.

If you pour sand it will make a mound.
It certainly won't make a square.
But you expect a mound when you look at the stacking of atmosphere it's made within.
It doesn't form a ball and never could.
Foundation sees to that.

No, you can't.

The thing is it is not obvious to anyone because it simply does not spin. Our own senses and balance tell us that at the basic level.
No matter how a person looks at it they would never say the Earth spins if they weren't coaxed into that mindset. It really is as simple as that.
What you do see is things moving over and around the sky.


Another thing you cannot prove except to show diagrams and gifs giving that impression.
Your observations offer you a moving light whilst you are still on Earth.

You don't have to be anything. You can simply say you believe you live on a spinning ball and I can say we do not.

Good.

We'll have to disagree on that.

You didn't put anything forward. You offered what was given to you and you take it as legitimate, which is all fine but the situation still does not change.


To be brutally honest, nothing of what you observe works on the fantasy globe in reality. It only works on a model offered because it's been made to work like that.

There are none for your world either.

Wrong.

seeing water finding its own level

What does this even mean? How does water "find its own level"?

Also, the various simple techniques to measure level and build level and plumb.

You know of the existence of spirit levels and a plumb lines, therefore the earth is not a globe, even though both of these devices should work in exactly the same way on a sphere world where gravity is real as they would on a lemon squeezer/flat world where gravity is replaced with an atmospheric stacking system that seems to know which way is up and which way is down, and stacks itself accordingly? That's clearly a failure in logic on your part.

The simplest and basic stuff.

The "simplest and basic stuff" that you're proving you don't understand with almost every post you make.

What can you offer for a spinning globe from your own point of view?

There's an entire thread full of such offerings right here. You've ignored every single one.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

No, you claim people cannot verify that we live on a spinning globe because you think it's true. It isn't.

I don't think it's true.

Except for those who look.

Exactly, which would verify a global spinning Earth is not a truth.

While it's true I have not personally travelled into space and looked back at a spinning globe, that's not quite what was being disputed now is it you cheeky scamp.

Not really in one respect but many people including yourself will look at videos and pictures and stories of being able to do just that and use it as ammo but the reality is, it's blanks.

And no matter how many times you say I don't know something, you cannot change the fact that I really, really do.

We all know stuff. It just comes down to what it is we actually believe we know to be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth in terms of offering that as proof.

I don't need to for multiple reasons. I'm not the one who has trouble accepting that scientists, astronomers, astronauts and a whole host of others know their stuff better than I do.

They know their scripts better than you do.

Well no, but we weren't really saying that I'd personally seen Earth from space either but that's where you took us.

Nope. You basically took yourselves down that route.

The space between planets is much the same as the space between cars, there's just less stuff in the space. You could argue that the space between cars is filled with air, but you could also say that the space between planets contains quite a bit of stuff too, dust, rocks, ice etc. Ok it's spread out thinly but there it is.

It's not what it contains it's all about no free space, meaning nothing at all between what you say are scattered particles in that nothing.
The reality is different.
Everything has to be attached. No free space.

 

[fyl2u]

It's called shoehorning everything to fit the narrative.

Basically speaking it's a case of turning the circle into a ball by using known distances on that circle and transferring them to fit a ball.
This is why the so-called southern hemisphere is virtually empty on the global map. For good reason.

You're going to have to expand on this, as it makes no sense.

I've heard and read about all kinds of things.
I'm saying to you that I can go and verify what I said.

You can't though, can you? You certainly haven't yet on this thread. All you proposed experiments have been fundamentally flawed, and we've spent a lot of time showing you exactly HOW they're flawed but you continue to ignore all this evidence.

You cannot verify anything to do with a spinning globe by your own actions.

We have, many times.

So the question remains.

No, it doesn't.

What can you offer for a spinning globe from your own point of view?

Read this thread again for the answer to this question and more.

You are not compelled to give an answer, of course.

And yet many of us already have, repeatedly.

If you don't answer it I'll leave it at that.

We already did, many times, and you already "left it at that", where "that" is you sticking your fingers in your ears and ignoring everything we've told you.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

You're going to have to expand on this, as it makes no sense.

It's convenient.

 

[fyl2u]

Now I can go and prove to myself that water finds its own level

No you can't, but you keep lying to us and to yourself about it.

and the lights in the sky all move as I stand still.

Relative motion is such a mystery.

Oh wait, no it isn't.

 

[nahwee]

Everything has to be attached. No free space.

Says who?

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Says who?

Says nature.