Proper Premier League

Zweiguys said:
Totally disregarding 100 years of history! The super league had the same mindset.
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Its not that deep mate.

I went along with the title of the thread and based my selections on Premier League only.

I'm not old enough to remember anything before the mid to late 90s.

Do you want me to put Huddersfield in there because they were successful in the 1920s even though they've only spent 2 years in the Premier League in my lifetime?
 


Nelson! said:
I’m sure everyone has a different idea of who “should” be in the top flight. My list is based on history, the era I grew up in, and support,

Sunderland
Man Utd
Liverpool
Arsenal
Man City
Spurs
Aston Villa
Everton
Chelsea
Leeds
Sheffield Wednesday
Nottingham Forest
WBA
Norwich
Wolves
QPR
West Ham
Derby County
Blackburn Rovers
Newcastle

What would yours be? 7 of mine aren’t currently in the top flight.
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I disagree with those three, they have never won the league and QPR and Norwich have also never won the FA Cup.
 
These are the twenty teams that have spent the longest in the top flight up to the end of last season, in order of the length of their stay:

01. EVERTON
02. ASTON VILLA
03. LIVERPOOL
04. ARSENAL
05. MANCHESTER UNITED
06. MANCHESTER CITY
07. NEWCASTLE UNITED
08. TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR
09. CHELSEA
10. SUNDERLAND
11. WEST BROMWICH ALBION
12. BOLTON WANDERERS
13. BLACKBURN ROVERS
14. WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS
15. SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY
16. WEST HAM UNITED
17. DERBY COUNTY
18. SHEFFIELD UNITED
19. STOKE CITY
20. MIDDLESBROUGH
 
SpiritofBurnden said:
These are the twenty teams that have spent the longest in the top flight up to the end of last season, in order of the length of their stay:

01. EVERTON
02. ASTON VILLA
03. LIVERPOOL
04. ARSENAL
05. MANCHESTER UNITED
06. MANCHESTER CITY
07. NEWCASTLE UNITED
08. TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR
09. CHELSEA
10. SUNDERLAND
11. WEST BROMWICH ALBION
12. BOLTON WANDERERS
13. BLACKBURN ROVERS
14. WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS
15. SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY
16. WEST HAM UNITED
17. DERBY COUNTY
18. SHEFFIELD UNITED
19. STOKE CITY
20. MIDDLESBROUGH
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It's a decent starting point, though obviously favours teams that were successful or established in the early days of football, while some that have been more regular top flight teams or more successful over the last 50 years or so (eg Leicester, Leeds, Forest, Southampton) are nowhere to be seen. There is no perfect answer, obviously, and any system you choose to provide weighting to different factors (eg number of seasons, trophies, attendances, gravy stain intensity) would obviously involve a lot of bias.
 
SpiritofBurnden said:
These are the twenty teams that have spent the longest in the top flight up to the end of last season, in order of the length of their stay:

01. EVERTON
02. ASTON VILLA
03. LIVERPOOL
04. ARSENAL
05. MANCHESTER UNITED
06. MANCHESTER CITY
07. NEWCASTLE UNITED
08. TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR
09. CHELSEA
10. SUNDERLAND
11. WEST BROMWICH ALBION
12. BOLTON WANDERERS
13. BLACKBURN ROVERS
14. WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS
15. SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY
16. WEST HAM UNITED
17. DERBY COUNTY
18. SHEFFIELD UNITED
19. STOKE CITY
20. MIDDLESBROUGH
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Genuinely surprised to see the Smogs nip in there at 20. There's a few I'd have guessed ahead of them.
 
McMackem said:
Genuinely surprised to see the Smogs nip in there at 20. There's a few I'd have guessed ahead of them.
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the numbers are here if interested:

www.myfootballfacts.com

Seasons in the Top Flight of English Football by Clubs 1888-89 to 2022-23 - My Football Facts

Seasons Spent in the Top Flight of English Football by Clubs from 1888-89 to 2022-23 Home ⇒ England Footy ⇒ Football League Table showing the Total Number of Seasons spent by Clubs in the Top Flight of English football from 1888-89 to 2022-23. Includes a table of Consecutive number of Seasons in...
www.myfootballfacts.com
 
The Great Soprendo said:
the numbers are here if interested:

www.myfootballfacts.com

Seasons in the Top Flight of English Football by Clubs 1888-89 to 2022-23 - My Football Facts

Seasons Spent in the Top Flight of English Football by Clubs from 1888-89 to 2022-23 Home ⇒ England Footy ⇒ Football League Table showing the Total Number of Seasons spent by Clubs in the Top Flight of English football from 1888-89 to 2022-23. Includes a table of Consecutive number of Seasons in...
www.myfootballfacts.com
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Cheers - yeah - tight between Boro, Burnley, Forest and Brum.
 
As an aside (would be a decent pub question), from looking at that site, I have a quick question for you all (no cheating now):

How many of next season's Championship teams have never played in the English top flight, and can you name them?
 
The Great Soprendo said:
It's a decent starting point, though obviously favours teams that were successful or established in the early days of football, while some that have been more regular top flight teams or more successful over the last 50 years or so (eg Leicester, Leeds, Forest, Southampton) are nowhere to be seen. There is no perfect answer, obviously, and any system you choose to provide weighting to different factors (eg number of seasons, trophies, attendances, gravy stain intensity) would obviously involve a lot of bias.
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The all-time Premier League wouldn't be much different,ranked in order of points won, new teams in bold:

01. MANCHESTER UNITED
02. ARSENAL
03. CHELSEA
04. LIVERPOOL
05. TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR
06. MANCHESTER CITY
07. EVERTON
08. NEWCASTLE UNITED
09. ASTON VILLA
10. WEST HAM UNITED
11. SOUTHAMPTON
12. BLACKBURN ROVERS
13. LEEDS
14. LEICESTER CITY
15. MIDDLESBROUGH
16. FULHAM
17. SUNDERLAND
18. BOLTON WANDERERS
19. CRYSTAL PALACE
20. WEST BROMWICH ALBION
 
I'll do one based on my time watching footie since I was a bairn to mix things up:

Arsenal
Aston Villa
Blackburn
Bolton
Chelsea
Everton
Liverpool
Leeds
Leicester
Man City
Man United
Middlesbrough
Murder United
Norwich
Portsmouth
Spurs
Sunderland
Stoke
West Ham
Wigan
 
SpiritofBurnden said:
The all-time Premier League wouldn't be much different,ranked in order of points won, new teams in bold:

01. MANCHESTER UNITED
02. ARSENAL
03. CHELSEA
04. LIVERPOOL
05. TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR
06. MANCHESTER CITY
07. EVERTON
08. NEWCASTLE UNITED
09. ASTON VILLA
10. WEST HAM UNITED
11. SOUTHAMPTON
12. BLACKBURN ROVERS
13. LEEDS
14. LEICESTER CITY
15. MIDDLESBROUGH
16. FULHAM
17. SUNDERLAND
18. BOLTON WANDERERS
19. CRYSTAL PALACE
20. WEST BROMWICH ALBION
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SAFC hovering around the plughole seems familiar enough too 😒
 
Sunderland
Man Utd
Liverpool
Arsenal
Man City
Chelsea
Everton
Spurs
Sheff Wed
Sheff Utd
West Ham
Derby County
Leeds
Villa
Wolves
Nottingham Forest
Palace
Middlesbrough
Leicester
Boro
 
SUNDERLAND
BORO
NEWCASTLE
ARSENAL
SPURS
CHELSEA
VILLA
BIRMINGHAM
MAN U
MAN CITY
FOREST
DERBY
WEST HAM
WOLVES
WEST BROM
SHEFF WED
SHEFF UTD
LIVERPOOL
EVERTON
LEEDS

tasty league full of rivalries
 
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The Great Soprendo said:
As an aside (would be a decent pub question), from looking at that site, I have a quick question for you all (no cheating now):

How many of next season's Championship teams have never played in the English top flight, and can you name them?
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Just Rotherham?
gipetto said:
Sunderland
Man Utd
Liverpool
Arsenal
Man City
Chelsea
Everton
Spurs
Sheff Wed
Sheff Utd
West Ham
Derby County
Leeds
Villa
Wolves
Nottingham Forest
Palace
Middlesbrough
Leicester
Boro
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Knew you loved us really !!!
We're in there twice, unless the 'Boro' was Peterborough
 
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