PGMOL apologise to Forest

[Get Into Em]

The fact we had to go back two seasons to find one example kind of proves my point. To the contrary, there's been 4 big ones in favour of big teams in the last 7 days - Hearts, Celtic, Man United and Arsenal

Is that not just due to the media reporting on it? They get far more interaction for a controversial decision going against a smaller team and for a big team, than the other way around.

That Lewis-Skelly sending off, imo, is a worse decision than the Mbuemo handball, yet it was barely even talked about at the time. The PGMOL didn't even apologise. There'd be hell on if they didn't apologise to Forest (not that it's worth anything). The Mbuemo one will likely be referenced for ages because media, social media etc. has blown it up as big clubs gaining the advantage. Who cares if a smaller club gets an advantage against a bigger club, the neutral just sees it as justice and a laugh at the bigger club.

Man United and Liverpool have had the most VAR errors go against them this season - they're not talked about to the point that we can't even recall any.

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[PoolsMackem123]

Is that not just due to the media reporting on it? They get far more interaction for a controversial decision going against a smaller team and for a big team, than the other way around.

That Lewis-Skelly sending off, imo, is a worse decision than the Mbuemo handball, yet it was barely even talked about at the time. The PGMOL didn't even apologise. There'd be hell on if they didn't apologise to Forest (not that it's worth anything). The Mbuemo one will likely be referenced for ages because media, social media etc. has blown it up as big clubs gaining the advantage. Who cares if a smaller club gets an advantage against a bigger club, the neutral just sees it as justice and a laugh at the bigger club.

Man United and Liverpool have had the most VAR errors go against them this season - they're not talked about to the point that we can't even recall any.

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Most people on here watch the majority of PL matches themselves, so would surely be able to produce a single counter example between us if they existed.

The VAR error table is utter bollocks like - they didn't include any of the Man United "errors" against us for example within it, including Brobbey getting punched in the face by Martinez. It has absolutely no credibility as far as I'm concerned and I'm sure I could pick holes in it within seconds of thinking about it. There's not a chance the United and Liverpool are the most sinned against teams this season like.

 

[book him man]

Yes weve had some bad decisions and VAR is a mess but that's down largely to the Officials interpretation of an incident. It needs an overhaul and simplification but VAR played its own part in our play-off win a year ago. No VAR and Sheff Utd's goal may well have stood and we most likely wouldn't have experienced the last 12 months... worth reflecting on imo.

 

[PoolsMackem123]

Is that not just due to the media reporting on it? They get far more interaction for a controversial decision going against a smaller team and for a big team, than the other way around.

That Lewis-Skelly sending off, imo, is a worse decision than the Mbuemo handball, yet it was barely even talked about at the time. The PGMOL didn't even apologise. There'd be hell on if they didn't apologise to Forest (not that it's worth anything). The Mbuemo one will likely be referenced for ages because media, social media etc. has blown it up as big clubs gaining the advantage. Who cares if a smaller club gets an advantage against a bigger club, the neutral just sees it as justice and a laugh at the bigger club.

Man United and Liverpool have had the most VAR errors go against them this season - they're not talked about to the point that we can't even recall any.

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Even worse, that site is decided by fan votes. 63% said Angulo not being sent off was an error despite a clear angle showing a gap between elbow and face and no contact whatsoever. And I don't see a vote for Martinez punching Brobbey in the face at all.

 

[dangermows]

I don’t really understand this post. On the man united point, every single person in the world has agreed it’s a wrong decision, are you the one @contrarian that disagrees? The arm is clearly not in a natural position, which is the qualifier for the deflection clause to become active.

On the mags point - the decision was correct so I don’t see how this is an incorrect/bent decision that went against the big team? He was offside, albeit stupidly so. The only one I could think of was Foden getting hoofed after shooting in that game, but again that seems to be the right decision as this hasn’t been given all season - see brobbey against man united for instance. Genuinely can’t think of a VAR howler in favour of a small team against a big team. Happy to be proven wrong.

Im not necessarily disagreeing it was the wrong call but it's an objective decision where a referee is to determine intent and natural position of the arm. It seems some just think it's about ball hitting hand. Where do you think his arm should be out of interest?

You can't have people on one hand fuming that VAR referees games, refs are scared to go against then on the other hand fume when a referee sticks with his original decision. It's all a judgement call. Not corruption, both ways.

You are correct re Foden challenge. It didn't stop pages and pages of fume on here with calls of corruption and Saudi influence.

 

[PoolsMackem123]

Im not necessarily disagreeing it was the wrong call but it's an objective decision where a referee is to determine intent and natural position of the arm. It seems some just think it's about ball hitting hand. Where do you think his arm should be out of interest?

You can't have people on one hand fuming that VAR referees games, refs are scared to go against then on the other hand fume when a referee sticks with his original decision. It's all a judgement call. Not corruption, both ways.

You are correct re Foden challenge. It didn't stop pages and pages of fume on here with calls of corruption and Saudi influence.

Arms far too far out. It isn't the hitting the arm, but the bit where he traps it and uses it to control the ball where it becomes more of an offence for me. Either way, I think you have to be giving that as handball ultimately.

 

[dangermows]

Arms far too far out. It isn't the hitting the arm, but the bit where he traps it and uses it to control the ball where it becomes more of an offence for me. Either way, I think you have to be giving that as handball ultimately.

I'm not convinced it's deliberate trapping but can see that view. It certainly results in an advantage and I would have had zero issue with handball being given.

 

[ac999]

VAR can't tell the ref to give handball. The ref makes the judgement call following review. So how can you stop incidents like that, where a ref has another look and deems it to be accidental/natural position?

I do find it funny on here that for endless weeks we've had people saying VAR is corrupt and complaining the ref always goes with them on review. Then this time VAR pulls the ref to look, he sticks with his decision, and people moan on again

There are many instances where VAR has got it wrong another Manu one was Delit? where he put his foot against knee and VAR said glancing blow. Others than can look at and haven't under mistake rule Arsenal CH just last week. The refs have always had bias, the only difference now is VAR does olympic mental gymnastics to justify it sometimes, and others it just blatant corruption

 

[dangermows]

There are many instances where VAR has got it wrong another Manu one was Delit? where he put his foot against knee and VAR said glancing blow. Others than can look at and haven't under mistake rule Arsenal CH just last week. The refs have always had bias, the only difference now is VAR does olympic mental gymnastics to justify it sometimes, and others it just blatant corruption

But then there's all the incidents VAR has pulled the ref. He'd not be pulled if giving the decision in the first place. And you'd think they would if bias.

Strangely this latest one is people saying VAR is right, and the ref wrong. With VAR flagging handball and the ref not going with it.

Aye but what I'm saying is thats how it should work. You can't have VAR delaying the game for 3 minutes whilst they decide if it's classed as a clear and obvious error, then when it is, delay the game another few minutes whilst the ref looks at it in super slow motion a hundred times

It needs to be quick. It was obviously hand ball , the type of decision 99% of people can agree on instantly. Just make the call and get on with the game

If they can make VAR much much quicker , it would take the vast majority of criticism away.

This way you are letting VAR referee/make the decisions rather than the ref.

 

[redalert69]

I thought the rule was if the ball hits an arm/hand in the build up to a goal it's automatically chalked off?
Obviously not.

 

[tunstallhill]

This way you are letting VAR referee/make the decisions rather than the ref.

well let them, if its clear and obvious.

the whole thing is a mess. they review it for 5 mins, then come to the immensely complex conclusion that the ref should have another look at it. its not working

I thought the rule was if the ball hits an arm/hand in the build up to a goal it's automatically chalked off?
Obviously not.

depends who you play for

 

[dangermows]

well let them, if its clear and obvious.

the whole thing is a mess. they review it for 5 mins, then come to the immensely complex conclusion that the ref should have another look at it. its not working


depends who you play for

Fairy nuff. But people will be seething and screaming corruption even more if VAR simply overrides the ref and essentially makes him redundant in any key decisions.

 

[tunstallhill]

Fairy nuff. But people will be seething and screaming corruption even more if VAR simply overrides the ref and essentially makes him redundant in any key decisions.

thats why it just needs scrapping. the two main sticking points are:

- the time it takes
- and arriving at the wrong decision

they can tweak the system as much as they want, but they'll never solve these two issues with VAR. they could potentially solve the first one by having a time limit, but they'd just use the allotted time every single time, and send the ref to the screen anyway.

they could have 3 VAR refs in a room, and they have 10 seconds between them to decide to overturn the ref. no more screens. just a back-check for blatant errors. they have 10 seconds to all press a big red button in front of them, they aren't allowed to talk to each other. if all 3 press the button, the refs decision is automatically overturned and they got on with the game

but realistically, the best solution is to just scrap it all together, even for offsides

 

[Roadhouse]

It's amazing how professional referees can have multiple replays of things like this and still get the decision wrong. I can understand 50/50 decisions but some of the stuff they get wrong is ridiculous.

 

[Quack]

Whens the apology for Burnley gonna arrive then. I'll go Thursday