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NUFC/Sportswashing - Summer 2022

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Mills and Boon said:
Wow. I'm sure genuine Sunderland fans are as embarrassed by Exile and his antics as I am of these lads expecting us to ignore the FFP rules and spend way past what our meagre (cheers Mike) revenue allows
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Ashley's financial management left your club with plenty of room in terms of FFP cap.

The fact that players don't want to play for a murderous regime is a different matter.
 
Exile 1968 said:
I think the description of the Mags fanbase is absolutely spot on. I wish I'd written it. Lads if you don't like my posts just stick me on ignore man.
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Something of a myth has been allowed to take hold, over the last few years, about Newcastle’s fans. They have developed a reputation for being equal parts demanding and delusional, for believing their club uniquely deserving of a restoration to a place of prominence in English soccer’s firmament that it never, really, occupied in the first place.

The reality is almost exactly the opposite. All Newcastle’s fans have ever really asked for is a team that is mildly entertaining to watch, and a bit of effort from those charged with running the club. The banner made that perfectly clear. Ashley’s affront was not failing to win; it was robbing them of the hope that they might.
 
Angus0897433670 said:
Something of a myth has been allowed to take hold, over the last few years, about Newcastle’s fans. They have developed a reputation for being equal parts demanding and delusional, for believing their club uniquely deserving of a restoration to a place of prominence in English soccer’s firmament that it never, really, occupied in the first place.

The reality is almost exactly the opposite. All Newcastle’s fans have ever really asked for is a team that is mildly entertaining to watch, and a bit of effort from those charged with running the club. The banner made that perfectly clear. Ashley’s affront was not failing to win; it was robbing them of the hope that they might.
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Surprised he agrees with that, mind.

He seems a bit sportswashed.
 
Mills and Boon said:
Wow. I'm sure genuine Sunderland fans are as embarrassed by Exile and his antics as I am of these lads expecting us to ignore the FFP rules and spend way past what our meagre (cheers Mike) revenue allows
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FFP is a red herring - it has no constraint on mags current spending power. Kieran Maguire has written on this and the Chronicle plagiarized it. I can't explain lack of action but:

- budget not as big as expected?
- holding off to sign real targets;
- EH doesn't want too much change;
- players being reluctant to join for whatever reason;
- avoiding FFP issues further down the line though if you make the right signings now you won't have the issue.

You tell me......but it is not FFP stopping current signings.
 
Secret Visage said:
Ashley's financial management left your club with plenty of room in terms of FFP cap.

The fact that players don't want to play for a murderous regime is a different matter.
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I don't know how to link tweets here, sorry. But it's a great look at our financial management, I recommend you read the lot.

When he took over our commercial revenue was higher than Spurs. They've been able to raise theirs while ours has been stagnant due to Ashley's management. We'd be in a much better position regarding FFP, and able to spend more now, if he'd grown our commercial revenue
 
Angus0897433670 said:
Something of a myth has been allowed to take hold, over the last few years, about Newcastle’s fans. They have developed a reputation for being equal parts demanding and delusional, for believing their club uniquely deserving of a restoration to a place of prominence in English soccer’s firmament that it never, really, occupied in the first place.

The reality is almost exactly the opposite. All Newcastle’s fans have ever really asked for is a team that is mildly entertaining to watch, and a bit of effort from those charged with running the club. The banner made that perfectly clear. Ashley’s affront was not failing to win; it was robbing them of the hope that they might.
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Pre-takeover you could spin that narrative. But you haven't bent over and taken it from the Saudi's to be signing Burnley's cast offs. Give over!

People may dismiss twitter but it is excellent for sentiment analysis (use of positive/negative language) and the sentiment is suddenly changing. An expensive foreign signing like Julia Geordio will change that but for now the tide is turning.
 
Angus0897433670 said:
Something of a myth has been allowed to take hold, over the last few years, about Newcastle’s fans. They have developed a reputation for being equal parts demanding and delusional, for believing their club uniquely deserving of a restoration to a place of prominence in English soccer’s firmament that it never, really, occupied in the first place.

The reality is almost exactly the opposite. All Newcastle’s fans have ever really asked for is a team that is mildly entertaining to watch, and a bit of effort from those charged with running the club. The banner made that perfectly clear. Ashley’s affront was not failing to win; it was robbing them of the hope that they might.
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:lol:
 
jlaws said:
FFP is a red herring - it has no constraint on mags current spending power. Kieran Maguire has written on this and the Chronicle plagiarized it. I can't explain lack of action but:

- budget not as big as expected?
- holding off to sign real targets;
- EH doesn't want too much change;
- players being reluctant to join for whatever reason;
- avoiding FFP issues further down the line though if you make the right signings now you won't have the issue.

You tell me......but it is not FFP stopping current signings.
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It's not a red herring. People keep comparing our spending to that of Man City and Chelsea's. FFP didn't exist then, it does now. The way forward is to build steadily, grow our revenue over time and our FFP limit with it
 
Yeah as the New York Times love Saudi Arabia.

I mean who wouldnt love the country responsible for this

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Mills and Boon said:
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I don't know how to link tweets here, sorry. But it's a great look at our financial management, I recommend you read the lot.

When he took over our commercial revenue was higher than Spurs. They've been able to raise theirs while ours has been stagnant due to Ashley's management. We'd be in a much better position regarding FFP, and able to spend more now, if he'd grown our commercial revenue
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I have read the article at the time, @priceoffootball did the same. Very true. If he had grown commercial revenue mags would have even more FFP headroom! But you are not using what you have already.

Besides how many FTSE100/FTSE250 HQ's are in Newcastle? How many overseas students are there relative to Manchester/Liverpool/London? What is the average wage/unemployment in NE? How many social media followers do NUFC have relative to other clubs (just twitter on this live list -
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- mags are 2.2m we are shy of 1m despite being out of EPL for years)?

It is not that easy to grow commercial revenue else Ashley would have done it as it would increase the selling price. Saudi United will do via the back door by HE instructing Saudi companies that if they know what is good for them they will sponsor the mags. But the league aren't stupid and if a deal is worth 50m and Spurs with many times more social media followers have a similar deal worth 10m it won't be approved.
 
Biffo The Bear said:
So it is a good deal simply because it is better than another bad one?

Simpleton?
Not very nice is it Keith?
Which simpleton was it who kept insisting we were finished, doomed, and other variations of relegated last season....... that would be you was it not?
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not saying that, its just that because he's on a free he gets massive wages. trippier cost 12m plus addons for 2.5 years. thats about 100k a week for his transfer fee alone plus wages of probably 100k a week as well. he's older and costing 200k a week you wont get back yet he's a bargain?
people see 200k a week and think its mad, yet pay 30m for a player for a 3 year contract and 100k a week you wont get back and noone bats an eyelid and its double the cost.
 
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