NUFC and other Sportswashing Spring 2022

[Pete the Pirate]

Nice to see them get brought back down to earth, I honestly thought they would beat Everton given the recent form of both teams.

But I think they will sadly be safe now.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

They have gone through fuck all, even the couple of times they were relegated Ashley spent a fortune to get them back up as champions the following seasons. Imagine the state of them if they had to go trough what we have been through the last ten years. f***ing cry babies.

I agree and that's why I was happy with Ashley running the club up to a point.
The issue was it becoming far too poisonous and a teet for tat war ensued which didn't help the overall cause.

Ashley was welcomed then despised for not allowing messiahs to run riot and then begrudgingly welcomed again when things went better and then despised again when things didn't suit.

I've argued this for long enough among Newcastle fans that the situation was caused by both parties. Ashley made mistakes and certain fans spewed bile and hatred and created a bandwagon mentality of hatred that basically went out of control and ended up creating a massive divide with the owner.

Two to tango is true but harboring bitter hatred at every turn is a disaster waiting to happen.
Now those fans have what they want.
Spending big.
Buying anyone and everyone in time.
Owners that turn the club plastic.
Expectations that have little to no leeway.

The only good thing to come from it is showbiz football for however long it lasts.

Would that be nice?
Yes...I won't lie.
Is it ethical? Absolutely not but the overall argument now is a case of, if you can't beat them, join them.
Football sold its soul to the devil a long time ago.
This is just added extra to feeding that devil and I'm under no illusions about it but I will never apologise for being a Newcastle fan.

 

[Ale taster]

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Brilliant @Exile 1968 lad
This is the statement I'm going to challenge her with if she ever canvasses on my door step.

 

[Wise Man Says]

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Completely ruined their night. Get the fuck in

One or two Wearside accents in there an all.

 

[SmoggyInSunderland]

but I will never apologise for being a Newcastle fan.

Well from my point of view, you're not welcome here. Please understand that

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Show me where I've been a hypocrite with regards to the killing of innocent children, show me.
Avtually, don't, it's simple base level morality - right and wrong and it appears you are still deeming it a conscious choice between the two due to footballing loyalty. This says far more about you than me.

My morality is always massive subjective and so is yours but at the minute you have a focal point of argument backed by many on this forum as it stands which ensures you feel you can argue your case while still retaining what you deem as full-on morals.

Or are you honest enough to accept that your morals can easily be subjective?

Go and speak to someone else as I'm leaving it there and won't be replying.

No problem. I'm happy to leave it at that.

 

[Roker Mackem]

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Completely ruined their night. Get the fuck in

Thats class

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Subjective morality.
No one is squeaky clean.
We all do things that are hypocritical at times.
But being happy, as lots of mags are , about being owned by a saudi tyrant dictator is different to other loose morals.
You're defending the indefensible and making yourself look a fool.

A sportswashed one.

Most fans are happy they got rid of Ashley.
Most fans are happy we've got a new manager.
Most fans are happy we look to be turning a corner.
Most fans are happy that we can afford players.

And so on.
I'd highly doubt many would be happy about atrocities in other countries. Unfortunately, when a brush is tarred it's tarred.

 

[offmenut]

Subjective morality is massively into play here.
Trying to argue about necessity does not cut it.

Of course it does
To think otherwise just shows you how sportswashed you are that you'll do anything to justify where you're at.
Russia are doing evil things. Europe have sanctioned them lots. Just because Germany continue to buy oil and gas from russia doesn't then justify that its ok for putin to own a football club. That's ridiculous and your argument about subject morality is pathetic.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Well from my point of view, you're not welcome here. Please understand that

I'm under no illusions and I know I can be banned at any time.
I know the majority of posters do not want Newcastle fans on here and I well understand that.

I'd have no issues if I was banned and no issues if you and whoever else feels the need to ignore me.
It is what it is and we move on.

Of course it does
To think otherwise just shows you how sportswashed you are that you'll do anything to justify where you're at.
Russia are doing evil things. Europe have sanctioned them lots. Just because Germany continue to buy oil and gas from russia doesn't then justify that its ok for putin to own a football club. That's ridiculous and your argument about subject morality is pathetic.

The fact you're trying to argue like this shows exactly what I'm saying to be correct.
Subjective morality is massively into play.

 

[Deleted member 1169]

I know the majority of posters do not want Newcastle fans on here and I well understand that.

But what do you bring to the board? There is no football knowledge no insight into your club just this constant self taught drivel about "subjective morality." I have read it enough times now. Bring something new or go as you are tedious and boring. Sorry to burst your bubble as you seem to think you are some intellectual... you are not.

 

[offmenut]

The fact you're trying to argue like this shows exactly what I'm saying to be correct.
Subjective morality is massively into plplay.

The fact you think that shows that you're an idiot. Imo of course.

We all have morals.
Its where we draw the line.
im not going to stop buying oil now incase putin or mbs get their hands on my money.
I'm trying to stop my over reliance on it.
I'm not happy that I have to buy it.

if putin or mbs bought safc, i may still go. I wouldn't be happy about it..I wouldn't wear a tea towel and sing about being the richest club. I'd certainly not spend hours justifying that it's OK to like putin owning my club as I drank vodka and coke last night

But what do you bring to the board? There is no football knowledge no insight into your club just this constant self taught drivel about "subjective morality." I have read it enough times now. Bring something new or go as you are tedious and boring. Sorry to burst your bubble as you seem to think you are some intellectual... you are not.

He's boring as fuck.
Anything to justify the geordie nation being sportswashed.
Saying the same tedious shit

 

[SmoggyInSunderland]

if you and whoever else feels the need to ignore me.
It is what it is and we move on.

The ignore button is a great tool but only to be used as a last resort. I've had reason to use it often lately especially on the 'Ukraine' thread. However the thread has become almost impossible to read. I don't like you but you don't make my blood boil. I'll just not read your posts. Have a nice day.

 

[Bear Heed]

100% I would not use it and would hope nobody else would.

Absolutely not.

Absolutely not.

I wouldn't need to because I wouldn't be drinking in it.

I wouldn't be using Nandos.

I agree.

I can't help that. I don't live in the minds of fans, I have my own and make my own decisions based on what I believe is pertinent to me.


That's up to them. You can't support the team without supporting the regime unless you simply partake in nothing more than looking for the results of the team whilst not offering any monetary support in any way shape or form.

If I go to a match or buy a shirt or a mug or a keyring...etc...etc....etc, then I support the team and the regime that offers that team the support to be a team.

Or I could pretend my morals are top-notch and give up being a fan until a regime is put into place that suits everyone.
I'm sure all fans would do this....right?


I do.

I offer an argument against those who argue morals and this is where we're at.

Like I said (as much as it pains people), it comes down to subjective morality and we're all guilty of it in many ways but some of it flies under that radar and people believe they can still argue the in your face strong points whilst tucking the lesser, in your face points under the table and hoping it's not brought up...and if it does get brought up then the argument gets brushed aside using all kinds of strawman arguments and whatnot.

I'm a Newcastle fan and I'm in the firing line regardless of what I say...unless I give it all up which just isn't going to happen unless the club ceases to exist, of which I'll deal with if it ever happens..

It must be obvious that you're not going to persuade anyone to believe what you're posting.

So you know that all the time you're spending on a Sunderland forum is totally wasted.

Your life must be as empty as the NUFC trophy cabinet.

 

[offmenut]

The fact you're trying to argue like this shows exactly what I'm saying to be correct.
Subjective morality is massively into plplay.

If you honestly can't see the difference between buying a vodka and Coke, filling your car with Saudi oil, and being happy that putin or MBS owns your football club, you may want to evaluate your life marra.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

But what do you bring to the board? There is no football knowledge no insight into your club just this constant self taught drivel about "subjective morality." I have read it enough times now. Bring something new or go as you are tedious and boring. Sorry to burst your bubble as you seem to think you are some intellectual... you are not.

What I bring to this board is whatever people think I bring. If that is nothing as far as you're concerned then that's fine by me.
As for me thinking I'm some kind of intellectual, they're your words, and to say it you must be thinking it.
As for me, I'm just a poster like the rest.

 

[Thatheaderman]

Nobody should be defending those barbarians owning their club , nobody. Yes state they didnt march off to Parliament, nor sign petition , nor wear a tea towel, but dont defend them. Same goes with arsehole Putin.

Problem is , with absolutely disgusting wages being paid out in our national sport then only mega rich can afford our clubs, and the richest of all are generally this day and age , these saudi west hating shites, who we as a country see the need to deal with.

How many of the 4 chinned , love and hate knuckled mags will have admired saudi culture pre takeover. Not one. In fact they will have all probably admired Tommy Robinson more.

 

[Secret Visage]

What I bring to this board is whatever people think I bring. If that is nothing as far as you're concerned then that's fine by me.
As for me thinking I'm some kind of intellectual, they're your words, and to say it you must be thinking it.
As for me, I'm just a poster like the rest.

You're not "like the rest" you're a murderers apologist. We aren't.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

The fact you think that shows that you're an idiot. Imo of course.

We all have morals.
Its where we draw the line.

Which is exactly why it's subjective.

im not going to stop buying oil now incase putin or mbs get their hands on my money.
I'm trying to stop my over reliance on it.

You're still buying into it regardless.

I'm not happy that I have to buy it.

That's irrelevant. This is why subjective morality comes into play.

if putin or mbs bought safc, i may still go. I wouldn't be happy about it..

But you are still part of it but your morals become subjective.

I wouldn't wear a tea towel and sing about being the richest club.

Nor do many but you always get pockets in everything.

I'd certainly not spend hours justifying that it's OK to like putin owning my club as I drank vodka and coke last night

Not at the minute but you'd have had no qualms when he took over if you were a Chelsea fan. And certainly wouldn't have if he'd taken over Sunderland 20 years ago. Think about it.

It must be obvious that you're not going to persuade anyone to believe what you're posting.

People can decide what they wish. I merely put my posts in and have my say.

So you know that all the time you're spending on a Sunderland forum is totally wasted.

No, it's not. It's only wasted if I don't believe what I'm typing.
I know some will agree and some won't and some will sit on the fence, as is life itself.

Your life must be as empty as the NUFC trophy cabinet.

It's not as full as I'd like but nowhere near as empty as people would wish.

If you honestly can't see the difference between buying a vodka and Coke, filling your car with Saudi oil, and being happy that putin or MBS owns your football club, you may want to evaluate your life marra.

If you also can't see that feeding those regimes makes them stronger then maybe you need to do what you ask of me.

You're not "like the rest" you're a murderers apologist. We aren't.

How?

 

[legend7]

100% I would not use it and would hope nobody else would.

Absolutely not.

Absolutely not.

I wouldn't need to because I wouldn't be drinking in it.

I wouldn't be using Nandos.

I agree.

I can't help that. I don't live in the minds of fans, I have my own and make my own decisions based on what I believe is pertinent to me.


That's up to them. You can't support the team without supporting the regime unless you simply partake in nothing more than looking for the results of the team whilst not offering any monetary support in any way shape or form.

If I go to a match or buy a shirt or a mug or a keyring...etc...etc....etc, then I support the team and the regime that offers that team the support to be a team.

Or I could pretend my morals are top-notch and give up being a fan until a regime is put into place that suits everyone.
I'm sure all fans would do this....right?


I do.

I offer an argument against those who argue morals and this is where we're at.

Like I said (as much as it pains people), it comes down to subjective morality and we're all guilty of it in many ways but some of it flies under that radar and people believe they can still argue the in your face strong points whilst tucking the lesser, in your face points under the table and hoping it's not brought up...and if it does get brought up then the argument gets brushed aside using all kinds of strawman arguments and whatnot.

I'm a Newcastle fan and I'm in the firing line regardless of what I say...unless I give it all up which just isn't going to happen unless the club ceases to exist, of which I'll deal with if it ever happens..

You think the earth is flat and the sun is a reflection from a magic crystal generator.
Your views mean nothing to me.
So very wrong in everything you say as usual.