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NUFC and other Sportswashing Spring 2022

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Anyone seen the dressing room pic?

Was there tonight - benefited from a family having covid so took my oldest and his friend. Great atmosphere (main stand top balcony) felt like being back in the clockstand and excellent to beat them.

Heard their full repertoire - cheer up Peter Reid, Pickford in disguise, Liam o’brien over the wall…t-Rex’s everywhere. Richest clerb in the world but we are never far from their minds.

If any mag on here says they are playing well then they are clueless. They are effective. Win corners, win free kicks and hit Wood. They are the new Wimbledon. I didn’t realise 40m Bruno was on until half time and Joe Linton is as skilful as Vinny Jones and is playing like him.
 
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jlaws said:
Anyone seen the dressing room pic?

Was there tonight - benefited from a family having covid so took my oldest and his friend. Great atmosphere (main stand top balcony) felt like being back in the clockstand and excellent to beat them.

Heard their full repertoire - cheer up Peter Reid, Pickford in disguise, Liam o’brien over the wall…t-Rex’s everywhere. Richest clerb in the world but we are never far from their minds.

If any mag on here says they are playing well then they are clueless. They are effective. Win corners, win free kicks and hit Wood. They are the new Wimbledon. I didn’t realise 40m Bruno was on until half time and Joe Linton is as skilful as Vinny Jones and is playing like him.
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We were well under par last night and can't argue about getting beat.
We aren't anything like a very good team but we are definitely effective when on our game. Last night was far from being on our game.

Argument?
I'd say 3 away games in a short space of time took their toll and especially amid the effort against Chelsea being scrubbed out by cheating officials.

Am I bitter? Yes, a bit. Do you care? I doubt it.
I'm just saying.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
Well, it's as simple as this. I'd be more than happy to lose our owners if they're deemed so bad as long as we lose everything from every state/country that is also bad.
What does that leave us?

What do you suggest to pacify you?
Should all Newcastle fans give up being fans of Newcastle United until we rid the club of the owners?
Should Newcastle fans also give up using anything provided by that setup throughout the city?
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Here's an example I have used before, I'd be very interested in your thoughts.

Imagine you had a pub in your village. A much loved pub. It's a bit tatty and run down, but it's at the heart of your community. It's well run and in no danger of closing.

Then out of nowhere, Jimmy Saville buys it. He promises to get a new pool table, has the toilets done out and installs the beer everyone wants.


Would you actively campaign for him to be allowed to run it, claiming he was trying to change?
Would you jump to his defence if anyone questioned him or his ownership?
Would you go to the opening night in a tracksuit and sporting a fake cigar to show your support for him?
Would you accept that the manager Saville puts in to running it refuses to discuss it saying "I'll need to read up a bit, im just here to pull pints". Would you say "well I drink there, but he also has a tiny investment in Nandos and no one mentions that!

Of course you wouldn't. And if you did you would rightfully get a lot of flack from people. But some of your fans have done all of the above.

So what should Newcastle fans do? I suggest a good start is following your old mantra. "Support the team not the regime". Support your club, love your club. But ffs, stop defending the owners just because they have a few bob and are saying what you want to hear.
 
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What actually did they go through? That couple of year they made the champions league was because they were spending money they didn’t have. Ashley had to cover that debt when he bought the club.

Newcastle are traditionally a mid table, bottom of the half side. They have never won a trophy since the 1950s :lol:
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They have gone through fuck all, even the couple of times they were relegated Ashley spent a fortune to get them back up as champions the following seasons. Imagine the state of them if they had to go trough what we have been through the last ten years. f***ing cry babies.
 
addicted_to_safc said:
They have gone through fuck all, even the couple of times they were relegated Ashley spent a fortune to get them back up as champions the following seasons. Imagine the state of them if they had to go trough what we have been through the last ten years. f***ing cry babies.
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They'd be over the moon. They'd have the Papa John's trophy to make a fuss over. One more trophy than they have now ;)
 
Redandwhitedust said:
Here's an example I have used before, I'd be very interested in your thoughts.

Imagine you had a pub in your village. A much loved pub. It's a bit tatty and run down, but it's at the heart of your community. It's well run and in no danger of closing.

Then out of nowhere, Jimmy Saville buys it. He promises to get a new pool table, has the toilets done out and installs the beer everyone wants.


Would you actively campaign for him to be allowed to run it, claiming he was trying to change?
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100% I would not use it and would hope nobody else would.
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Would you jump to his defence if anyone questioned him or his ownership?
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Absolutely not.
Redandwhitedust said:
Would you go to the opening night in a tracksuit and sporting a fake cigar to show your support for him?
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Absolutely not.
Redandwhitedust said:
Would you accept that the manager Saville puts in to running it refuses to discuss it saying "I'll need to read up a bit, im just here to pull pints".
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I wouldn't need to because I wouldn't be drinking in it.
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Would you say "well I drink there, but he also has a tiny investment in Nandos and no one mentions that!
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I wouldn't be using Nandos.
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Of course you wouldn't. And if you did you would rightfully get a lot of flack from people.
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I agree.
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But some of your fans have done all of the above.
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I can't help that. I don't live in the minds of fans, I have my own and make my own decisions based on what I believe is pertinent to me.
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So what should Newcastle fans do? I suggest a good start is following your old mantra. "Support the team not the regime".
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That's up to them. You can't support the team without supporting the regime unless you simply partake in nothing more than looking for the results of the team whilst not offering any monetary support in any way shape or form.

If I go to a match or buy a shirt or a mug or a keyring...etc...etc....etc, then I support the team and the regime that offers that team the support to be a team.

Or I could pretend my morals are top-notch and give up being a fan until a regime is put into place that suits everyone.
I'm sure all fans would do this....right?

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Support your club, love your club.
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I do.
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But ffs, stop defending the owners just because they have a few bob and are saying what you want to hear.
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I offer an argument against those who argue morals and this is where we're at.

Like I said (as much as it pains people), it comes down to subjective morality and we're all guilty of it in many ways but some of it flies under that radar and people believe they can still argue the in your face strong points whilst tucking the lesser, in your face points under the table and hoping it's not brought up...and if it does get brought up then the argument gets brushed aside using all kinds of strawman arguments and whatnot.

I'm a Newcastle fan and I'm in the firing line regardless of what I say...unless I give it all up which just isn't going to happen unless the club ceases to exist, of which I'll deal with if it ever happens..
 
Nukehasslefan said:
No matter how you dress it up it still all comes down to subjective morality.
The fact that you have an extra tool in your belt to use against Newcastle fans does not exempt you from being a hypocrite.
We're all hypocrites and we're all playing a part in subjective morality.
People don't like those words because it offers a counteraction to what gets put out against others. People think because something is more into a spotlight upon a group means their own weaker, less noticeable partaking in what appears to be a small way to those they vilify, does not count.

Well, it's as simple as this. I'd be more than happy to lose our owners if they're deemed so bad as long as we lose everything from every state/country that is also bad.
What does that leave us?

But that won't count because too many people rely on far too much stuff from countries that are complicit in their own ways and atrocities that we deem to be worth only a fleeting glance and a quick shrug of the shoulders and back to acceptance of their input into our ways as consumers, etc.

This is why those two words rear their heads. Subjective morality.

What do you suggest to pacify you?
Should all Newcastle fans give up being fans of Newcastle United until we rid the club of the owners?
Should Newcastle fans also give up using anything provided by that setup throughout the city?

Are there any other countries we need to shut out who are as bad or are they the only ones that matter at this moment in time?

Let's have it out.

I'll tell you where I'm at.
If all clubs give up their riches from owners who are part of bad regimes and we as fans all give up being consumers of such, then I'm all for it.

How far and wide does this go.
Shall we go through it or does it come back to subjective morality...a few words are despised by some because those few words highlight what we as people are part of when the situation suits us.

Justifies?
What justifies anything in a sport like this with riches being thrown to those that partake at upper levels?
There's little justice in this world from what I see.
I'm more than happy to argue the points if you wish.

To be fair the history of football was thrown away a long time ago when clubs stopped being run from within.

And that's exactly why morality is subjective.
If it's moral to one X group and not to Y group and yet something else is immoral to X group but moral to Y group then your morals are subjective and this goes right across the board in life.
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Show me where I've been a hypocrite with regards to the killing of innocent children, show me.
Avtually, don't, it's simple base level morality - right and wrong and it appears you are still deeming it a conscious choice between the two due to footballing loyalty. This says far more about you than me.
Go and speak to someone else as I'm leaving it there and won't be replying.
 
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Nukehasslefan said:
Worst for what... Arguing about subjective morality?

It certainly would help for you I agree because it creates less resistance to your arguments and makes it easier to sidestep what's pout out about subjective morality.

I'd be more than happy to change that if I had the power but I'd also change a lot more to create an even playing field throughout, which means stopping everything in this country that comes from countries/states that commit atrocities.

How far and wide do we go with this or is this just about Newcastle United for now and Newcastle fans disowning their club to appease those who simply hate the potential of it becoming a big player among corrupt clubs.

Let me tell you what Newcastle United became.
It became a bankrolled plastic club with real genuine fans that will soon be filtered out into a lot of plastic fans.

Did I want this? NO.
Would I prefer a Steve Gibson type? ABSOLUTELY.


That's exactly what I do.
I did exactly the same under Ashley and every other owner.

I have no control over who owns the club regardless of what people say.
I can give it up to appease people. All fans could do this. Will they?
Take a look around you and see just how much we as a country are run and influenced by people from states/countries that have their own immoral ways that they pass off as their morals.

Let's collectively go against these people and be totally moral.

Can we do this or should we simply just concentrate on Newcastle United?


I feel the same about any owners bankrolling clubs over and beyond their in-house reality of earnings.
As for atrocities, I stand all atrocities in the same vein. Not acceptable but all people need to offer their own rejection to those who perpetrate it, not just pick and choose one section based on hatred and bitter rivalry as a tool to use to supposedly push immoral behaviour onto whilst offering themselves a sidestep to their own acceptance of it for other things happening that are deemed backburner stuff while the argument happens on the front burner.

Why is it so easy to do anything to mask all kinds of wrongs?
Create an acceptance for when it suits by offering comfort and reward.

When attacked you defend.
I don't think too many are defending a regime. I'd say most are defending themselves and the collective group being attacked.
Nature of the beast.


Subjective morality is massively into play here.
Trying to argue about necessity does not cut it.


We are just starting to stop it, are we?
Does it only count since Newcastle was taken over I didn't see much arguing against any of it before this?
Unless you can correct me on it.

They can think about what they want in their country. We don't have to agree with what they do.
I remember when I was a kid being told that the Arabs cut off people's hands if they were caught stealing. It seemed to be fine because that was their way whether we agreed or not.
I didn't see many objections just as I never did for executing people for what was deemed a crime that we may deal with much more leniency.

Whether I'm a disgrace to you or others. the situation still stands out like a sore thumb.
Subjective morality is massively in play and people are trying their best to distance themselves from it.
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Subjective morality.
No one is squeaky clean.
We all do things that are hypocritical at times.
But being happy, as lots of mags are , about being owned by a saudi tyrant dictator is different to other loose morals.
You're defending the indefensible and making yourself look a fool.

A sportswashed one.
 
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