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Newcastle ufc (May 2019)

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The Fish said:
How about 10th? How about one of the best defences in the league outside the elite clubs?

I would expect Benitez to be capable of delivering more than midtable, and if he had true control of the transfers and a budget comparable with the teams we've finished around, I'm sure he could deliver that.


:lol: You're funny.
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If he was a great manager he would be managing a good club.
 

shaun61 said:
The denigrating of Benitez on here is a bit OTT imho.
Ok, he's manager of our detested neighbours, and it's 14 years ago since his Liverpool side rather fortuitously somehow won the EC, but he is still a damn good manager.
I'll tell you this, IF he had been in charge of us instead of Moyes, we'd have made a much greater fist of avoiding the drop and might even have survived.
Ok, his football isn't always attractive, but he gets teams organised, disciplined and always up for a fight.
Let's give an iota of credit to him for the job he's done at skunkville under difficult circumstances.
It's making Safc fans look a bit petty and even envious this continual belittling of him.
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We all know he's a decent manager, our friends up the road go on like love sick teenagers when he is mentioned, so it's canny funny to point out any faults.

He has clearly been backed by Ashley, with transfer fees and wages, he must be the best paid outside the top 6 by a long way.
 
rocky said:
Look man you're clearly a dopey mag. You're posting on a Sunderland message board at 5 in the morning. Maybe it's time to re-evaluate your life and ask yourself "what am I doing with my life" then ask "what am I gaining out of making a massive **** of myself on the internet"

Sound advice this
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He is obviously "special" as no normal grown up bloke would lead such a pathetic sad life. I'm embarrassed for him tbh
 
kingmonkey said:
We all know he's a decent manager, our friends up the road go on like love sick teenagers when he is mentioned, so it's canny funny to point out any faults.

He has clearly been backed by Ashley, with transfer fees and wages, he must be the best paid outside the top 6 by a long way.
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Has he "clearly been backed by Ashley"? He hasn't had a lot of control over transfers, hasn't had a comparable budget to work with, and has a smaller wage bill than most.

He is will paid though.
 
The Fish said:
How about 10th? How about one of the best defences in the league outside the elite clubs?

I would expect Benitez to be capable of delivering more than midtable, and if he had true control of the transfers and a budget comparable with the teams we've finished around, I'm sure he could deliver that.


:lol: You're funny.
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He's done OK. I think you are desperate to find angles or excuses for him but he has just done OK. The figures I got are simple to find on the internet - just put in 'cost of squad'. There is no doubt whatsoever that the likes of Burnley and Leicester, when they won the league, have done far better than Benitez has done on a much lower budget in terms of transfer fees.

I am not saying he has done badly or that pundits don't rate him or ex-players don't love him or he can't organise a good defence. What I am saying that if he is a 'World Class' Manager that a lot of your fans want to profess then a relegation (not his fault obviously), a 10th and a 13th are pretty disappointing returns. This blame of Ashley is wearing thin. You should be asking more of your 'World Class' Manager and stop looking for excuses for him. If you finish 12th next season and do nowt in the cups will you still be singing his praises and looking for who you can blame for yet another non-season?
 
10 Gary Rowells said:
He's done OK. I think you are desperate to find angles or excuses for him but he has just done OK. The figures I got are simple to find on the internet - just put in 'cost of squad'. There is no doubt whatsoever that the likes of Burnley and Leicester, when they won the league, have done far better than Benitez has done on a much lower budget in terms of transfer fees.

I am not saying he has done badly or that pundits don't rate him or ex-players don't love him or he can't organise a good defence. What I am saying that if he is a 'World Class' Manager that a lot of your fans want to profess then a relegation (not his fault obviously), a 10th and a 13th are pretty disappointing returns. This blame of Ashley is wearing thin. You should be asking more of your 'World Class' Manager and stop looking for excuses for him. If you finish 12th next season and do nowt in the cups will you still be singing his praises and looking for who you can blame for yet another non-season?
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For the life of me I can't ever remember the mags on here defending the likes of pardew or allardyce with such ferocity and detail like they do with benitez

They're was no mention of
1. He hasn't any say in the signings
2. Net spend
3. Not backed by ashley
4. Etc etc etc etc

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
10 Gary Rowells said:
He's done OK. I think you are desperate to find angles or excuses for him but he has just done OK. The figures I got are simple to find on the internet - just put in 'cost of squad'. There is no doubt whatsoever that the likes of Burnley and Leicester, when they won the league, have done far better than Benitez has done on a much lower budget in terms of transfer fees.

I am not saying he has done badly or that pundits don't rate him or ex-players don't love him or he can't organise a good defence. What I am saying that if he is a 'World Class' Manager that a lot of your fans want to profess then a relegation (not his fault obviously), a 10th and a 13th are pretty disappointing returns. This blame of Ashley is wearing thin. You should be asking more of your 'World Class' Manager and stop looking for excuses for him. If you finish 12th next season and do nowt in the cups will you still be singing his praises and looking for who you can blame for yet another non-season?
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I've shown you figures that show the money we've spent on wages is among the lowest in the division. The money we've spent on transfers is amongst the lowest in the division. And we're a recently promoted side.

Our finishes under Benitez are indicative of his style of play (pragmatic, hard to beat, efficient), and the standard of our players (how many of our squad would get into better sides?). We're not spending all that we can afford, not even close to that, which means, on the whole, Newcastle United under Benitez are a squad bought rather cheaply. This also means his missteps in the transfer window are more costly.

Ashley has to shoulder the majority of the blame here, just as he did for failing to strengthen when Pardew somehow managed to get us 5th. Or overseeing a broken transfer policy. It's his limitations as an owner that truly hamstring Newcastle United, not Benitez' limitations as a manager.

If Benitez is given total control over the transfers, actually gets every penny the club generates, and gets his 1st choice signings (instead of f***ing Joselu), yet we still do nothing in the cup and finish 12th then of course he shoulders the blame.

mr chuckles said:
For the life of me I can't ever remember the mags on here defending the likes of pardew or allardyce with such ferocity and detail like they do with benitez

They're was no mention of
1. He hasn't any say in the signings
2. Net spend
3. Not backed by ashley
4. Etc etc etc etc

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
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We consistently said Pardew didn't buy the players and that it was Carr.
Allardyce did have control over the transfers which is why we turned into a team that played f***ing awful football under him.
We did mention Net Spend because Carr seemed to be doing a good job on uncovering good players for buttons, and we hadn't yet seen the on-field cost of that.
The problem under Pardew wasn't the standard of player, it was the standard of the manager.

rocky said:
Who signed the Japanese lad? (is he Japanese?)
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The same guy who signed the Slovakian goalkeeper, the Swiss defender and fought tooth and nail to get the Venezuelan striker
 
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The Fish said:
I've shown you figures that show the money we've spent on wages is among the lowest in the division. The money we've spent on transfers is amongst the lowest in the division. And we're a recently promoted side.

Our finishes under Benitez are indicative of his style of play (pragmatic, hard to beat, efficient), and the standard of our players (how many of our squad would get into better sides?). We're not spending all that we can afford, not even close to that, which means, on the whole, Newcastle United under Benitez are a squad bought rather cheaply. This also means his missteps in the transfer window are more costly.

Ashley has to shoulder the majority of the blame here, just as he did for failing to strengthen when Pardew somehow managed to get us 5th. Or overseeing a broken transfer policy. It's his limitations as an owner that truly hamstring Newcastle United, not Benitez' limitations as a manager.

If Benitez is given total control over the transfers, actually gets every penny the club generates, and gets his 1st choice signings (instead of f***ing Joselu), yet we still do nothing in the cup and finish 12th then of course he shoulders the blame.



We consistently said Pardew didn't buy the players and that it was Carr.
Allardyce did have control over the transfers which is why we turned into a team that played f***ing awful football under him.
We did mention Net Spend because Carr seemed to be doing a good job on uncovering good players for buttons, and we hadn't yet seen the on-field cost of that.
The problem under Pardew wasn't the standard of player, it was the standard of the manager.


The same guy who signed the Slovakian goalkeeper, the Swiss defender and fought tooth and nail to get the Venezuelan striker
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Same bloke who signed the Belgian keeper, Spanish striker and fullback?
 
The Fish said:
I've shown you figures that show the money we've spent on wages is among the lowest in the division. The money we've spent on transfers is amongst the lowest in the division. And we're a recently promoted side.

Our finishes under Benitez are indicative of his style of play (pragmatic, hard to beat, efficient), and the standard of our players (how many of our squad would get into better sides?). We're not spending all that we can afford, not even close to that, which means, on the whole, Newcastle United under Benitez are a squad bought rather cheaply. This also means his missteps in the transfer window are more costly.

Ashley has to shoulder the majority of the blame here, just as he did for failing to strengthen when Pardew somehow managed to get us 5th. Or overseeing a broken transfer policy. It's his limitations as an owner that truly hamstring Newcastle United, not Benitez' limitations as a manager.

If Benitez is given total control over the transfers, actually gets every penny the club generates, and gets his 1st choice signings (instead of f***ing Joselu), yet we still do nothing in the cup and finish 12th then of course he shoulders the blame.



We consistently said Pardew didn't buy the players and that it was Carr.
Allardyce did have control over the transfers which is why we turned into a team that played f***ing awful football under him.
We did mention Net Spend because Carr seemed to be doing a good job on uncovering good players for buttons, and we hadn't yet seen the on-field cost of that.
The problem under Pardew wasn't the standard of player, it was the standard of the manager.


The same guy who signed the Slovakian goalkeeper, the Swiss defender and fought tooth and nail to get the Venezuelan striker
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Fair do's. Its not my club but you seem desperate to give him all the excuses under the sun for what is definitely not world class performance. As you have given me statistics I have clearly pointed to Leicester and Burnley as examples of clubs who have performed far better on far lower spend. If you do finish 12th next season it is clear you have the excuses lined up. I'll have to leave it there as your mind is made up and no matter how much logic I may supply you cannot comprehend any criticism of the blessed Benitez. For a set of fans who have chased out plenty of managers (even Bobby Robson) it is strange that you have changed for Benitez - my opinion is because you have a view that a club as enormous as yours only suits a 'World Class' manager and once you believe you have one you are then blind to any failings he may have.
 
rocky said:
Same bloke who signed the Belgian keeper, Spanish striker and fullback?
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Yeah the same guy who signed the Scottish winger, Paraguayan midfielder, Argentinian centre back, Korean midfielder, Senegalese centre mid, English striker, Irish striker,

Pretty content with Benitez' transfer record. We've had managers who were much, much worse, and spent money on shit like Abdoulaye Faye, David Rozenhal and Cacapa
 
10 Gary Rowells said:
Fair do's. Its not my club but you seem desperate to give him all the excuses under the sun for what is definitely not world class performance. As you have given me statistics I have clearly pointed to Leicester and Burnley as examples of clubs who have performed far better on far lower spend. If you do finish 12th next season it is clear you have the excuses lined up. I'll have to leave it there as your mind is made up and no matter how much logic I may supply you cannot comprehend any criticism of the blessed Benitez. For a set of fans who have chased out plenty of managers (even Bobby Robson) it is strange that you have changed for Benitez - my opinion is because you have a view that a club as enormous as yours only suits a 'World Class' manager and once you believe you have one you are then blind to any failings he may have.
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Benitez is just keeping things ticking over until Guardiola gets bored at Man City.
He wanted to sign for us as a player, so will definitely want to come and manage us.
 
The Fish said:
Yeah the same guy who signed the Scottish winger, Paraguayan midfielder, Argentinian centre back, Korean midfielder, Senegalese centre mid, English striker, Irish striker,

Pretty content with Benitez' transfer record. We've had managers who were much, much worse, and spent money on shit like Abdoulaye Faye, David Rozenhal and Cacapa
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Jury still out on the Paraguayan midfielder.
Abdoulaye Faye was decent. Think you may have your Fayes mixed up
 
10 Gary Rowells said:
Fair do's. Its not my club but you seem desperate to give him all the excuses under the sun for what is definitely not world class performance. As you have given me statistics I have clearly pointed to Leicester and Burnley as examples of clubs who have performed far better on far lower spend. If you do finish 12th next season it is clear you have the excuses lined up. I'll have to leave it there as your mind is made up and no matter how much logic I may supply you cannot comprehend any criticism of the blessed Benitez. For a set of fans who have chased out plenty of managers (even Bobby Robson) it is strange that you have changed for Benitez - my opinion is because you have a view that a club as enormous as yours only suits a 'World Class' manager and once you believe you have one you are then blind to any failings he may have.
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I mean, you're just making shit up there, I've even said in this thread this morning that Benitez has limitations. If you choose to ignore that to further the "Benitez is Teflon" shtick that exists on this message board, then that's your choice.

It's not about the name, we loved Hughton and he was hardly what you'd call a marquee manager. It's about the quality of manager, and Benitez is clearly a very good manager. And, importantly, with the right backing could at least aim for greater than our current lot in life.
 
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