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For context, Arsenal bought Sokratis (a diabolical slow and past-it defender) for £18m. Lascelles is better, hands down. He's better than Mina, Diop and any of the other mid-range centre backs in the league recently.

I'd say he's about half a VVD, but accounting for the type of clubs who would be interested, he'll probably go for around £30m max. Really just depends how good he looks over the next few months. Look at Michael Keane as an example of how quickly a centre backs value can get out of hand.
 
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KittenMittens said:
How much do you think he's worth? Honestly? Not in sane money, but in the context of other centre halves who have been sold in the last 12 months, or the rumoured fees for other players.
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£10m would be my guess. Nathan Ake is younger, and an all round better player and went for £20m
 
KittenMittens said:
How much do you think he's worth? Honestly? Not in sane money, but in the context of other centre halves who have been sold in the last 12 months, or the rumoured fees for other players.
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They talk about the English player premium, but by the time you're down to like the 10th best in his position presumably that no longer applies?
 
Summer Bee said:
£10m would be my guess. Nathan Ake is younger, and an all round better player and went for £20m
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Jesus christ :D Look, put aside our bias for 2 f***ing seconds and you can see that's ludicrous, right? £10m is what absolute nothing players go for. Lascelles is a good defender whether we want to give him credit or not. He's better than Ake, he's only 25, he's captaining his clurb, and...

Ashley In!! said:
They talk about the English player premium, but by the time you're down to like the 10th best in his position presumably that no longer applies?
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...even if he was, that puts him firmly in the bracket that someone like Everton, Arsenal or Man Utd would overpay for.

Some fees for context:

VVD:£70m
Laporte £60m
Mangala £42m
Sanchez £36m
Lindelof £31.5m
Rudiger £31.5m
Keane £27m
Ake £20m
Sokratis £18m
Diop £18m
Kongolo £18m
Hoedt £15m
Mawson £15m* (from a relegated club)

I'd put him between Ake and Rudiger. Potential there but could do with working with a 'proper' manager who plays to his strengths.
 
KittenMittens said:
Jesus christ :D Look, put aside our bias for 2 f***ing seconds and you can see that's ludicrous, right? £10m is what absolute nothing players go for. Lascelles is a good defender whether we want to give him credit or not. He's better than Ake, he's only 25, he's captaining his clurb, and...



...even if he was, that puts him firmly in the bracket that someone like Everton, Arsenal or Man Utd would overpay for.

Some fees for context:

VVD:£70m
Laporte £60m
Mangala £42m
Sanchez £36m
Lindelof £31.5m
Rudiger £31.5m
Keane £27m
Ake £20m
Sokratis £18m
Diop £18m
Kongolo £18m
Hoedt £15m
Mawson £15m* (from a relegated club)

I'd put him between Ake and Rudiger. Potential there but could do with working with a 'proper' manager who plays to his strengths.
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10th best english centre half
 
Urraca said:
To be honest, Longstaff/Lascelles/Almiron etc going for a lot of money isn't ridiculous. Look at what happened with Andy Carroll. In 2010-2011 he played 19 games, scored 11 goals and went for 35 million. That's right just *half* a season and he's worth 35 million. That was 2010-2011 - when Premier League clubs had significantly less income than they do now.

With existing rules about players trained in England and Brexit uncertainty...basically any English player with a handful of EPL games under their belt is worth at least 20 million. Today's 20 million is 2001's 3 million.
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Carroll scored around 15 goals at the time though, none of the players suggested will score that between them. Plus Chelsea bought Torres for £50 million, Ashley knew he could pull Liverpool’s eyes out as they had a bit of money to spend. It’s no surprise he went for a third of that when West Ham bought him off Liverpool.
 
CheersMarra84 said:
Carroll scored around 15 goals at the time though, none of the players suggested will score that between them. Plus Chelsea bought Torres for £50 million, Ashley knew he could pull Liverpool’s eyes out as they had a bit of money to spend. It’s no surprise he went for a third of that when West Ham bought him off Liverpool.
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Valid points but there are some caveats worth pointing out.


Yes Carroll was showing he could score so strikers premium is a factor. However the 1,2, 3 of:

1: Lascelles has proven himself in more games than Carroll had at the time. Lascelles is close to 100 EPL games and is proven as consistent where as Carroll was buying potential that he might keep going as he started. Proven centre half vs Potential Striker isn't as imbalanced in fee as proven centre half vs proven striker.

2. Yes we knew Liverpool were rich with Torres money in 2011, in 2019 we know every premier league team is rich because of the guaranteed 150 million ish revenue of even the bottom EPL team.

3. Clubs do research on off-field matters these days, so Lascelles - steady enough to be captain, polite in the media etc is going to look a bit better compared to Andy, who seemed to have a few off field distractions at the time.

…leads me to think Lascelles would go for similar money today. You'd be looking upwards of 20 million, probably upwards of 25 million for a proven consistent English to flight centre half these days. Add bit extra for a club captain….Also just to not on Andy going on the cheap to West Ham, I think his injury issues were known by then.

Longstaff is harder to measure, being so early in his to flight career but the English premium is very high due to FA/UEFA rules and looming Brexit.
 
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Summer Bee said:
Not really, just a 25 year old defender who isn't stand out in a struggling team with 2 years PL experience doesn't shout £25m
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One man's 25 year old defender who doesn't stand out in a struggling EPL team is another man's consistent 25 year old Englishman leading a defence that's conceded less goals than Manchester Utd :)

We might have to agree to disagree. Obviously I think highly of Lascelles, but really any English top flight player is probably in the 20 million range these days.
 
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Urraca said:
One man's 25 year old defender who doesn't stand out in a struggling EPL team is another man's consistent 25 year old Englishman leading a defence that's conceded less goals than Manchester Utd :)

We might have to agree to disagree. Obviously I think highly of Lascelles, but really any English top flight player is probably in the 20 million range these days.
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Fair enough, I can see where you're coming from. It's not that he plays for your lot either, I just don't see it. But I suppose that's how opinions work. His price will drop enormously if you go down as well (which I don't think you will)
 
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