Newcastle bigger than Everton?


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Yes, otherwise what are we even doing here?

Why even bother having a competition if you can be a big club any other way.


Why don't we just make heavyweight boxers see weighs the most and the therefore wins, or see who's got the most Twitter followers then decide that way.

The winner of Wimbledon is the tennis player who has the biggest sponser contract, is just mental to even suggest anyone who has less sctuap titles as the best is not as big.

Yes, otherwise what are we even doing here?

Why even bother having a competition if you can be a big club any other way.


Why don't we just make heavyweight boxers see weighs the most and the therefore wins, or see who's got the most Twitter followers then decide that way.

The winner of Wimbledon is the tennis player who has the biggest sponser contract, is just mental to even suggest anyone who has less sctuap titles as the best is not as big.

So you think Sheffield Wednesday are bigger than Tottenham?
Or Preston, who haven't won a league title for 128 years, are just as big as Tottenham?
 
Most supporters of clubs in the top 2 leagues think their club is a 'big club' but it's not something most get wound up about.

I can only think of one group of supporters who seem to need contestant reasurance that they are big club....
 
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I admire you sticking to your guns when the massive flaw in your logic has been pointed out, like.
It's been pointed out before when I said it in a pub lol, I just don't know how its wrong what's the f***ing point in sport of winning is less important than anything else, it's madness.
 

So it's a load of shite then as I've just demonstrated.

So what in your opinion makes the size of a club?

Many factors. History, fanbase, stadium and so on. Obviously current and recent success is important as well which is why I'd put the likes of Chelsea and Man City as bigger clubs than Spurs and Everton which wouldn't have been the case 15 years ago.
 
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On % of capacity filled the mags ground is fuller than Goodison though so the same could apply to them if theirs was bigger.

Have to say this surprised me, and when I had a look it looks correct. Do Newcastle sell tickets to home fans when the away fans don't take the full numbers? I didn't think the general away support at St James was that great although maybe them offering that 2,200 allocation helps this stat as our smaller allocation is only 1,700. Despite your claim being statistically correct though it doesn't tell the full picture as Goodison is sold out nearly every game. Last season we did actually sell out every home game, but this season I think one or two haven't. But we often have to sell the upper tier of the away allocation as well so our attendance only being in the high 38K region is purely down to the away allocation not being filled.

With the two supports I think both have been very close overall. I think post-War Newcastle are 4th in the Country (it was around 34,000 I think) and we were 5th with a similar number. They have had the benefit since the mid 90's of a vastly superior Stadium which has allowed them to have considerably bigger numbers for around 20 years whereas we have been restricted by an outdated Stadium with thousands of obstructed views. If/when we move to our new Stadium we will have bigger crowds than them.

If you look at away support, Newcastle have a disadvantage over us for distance travelled, but they often opted for small allocations for years under Ashley when we'd be taking full allocations far more often. Quite regularly that was a sensible decision by Ashley as their support just couldn't fill the full numbers. Regardless of day and time Everton regularly sell out the full allocation except for in the North East and places like Swansea where our support isn't big and we will take somewhere between 1700-2000. I think both away supports in terms of numbers are up there with the best all things considered, but in terms of constant vocal backing, they are the better supporters.
 
The only statistics that matter in terms of a club being successful are trophies. In terms of a club being 'big', fans of every club can spout off endlessly about crowd sizes, amount of time spent in the top tier, etc and pick anything that suits their argument. I don't think (trophies aside) there's anything to choose between Everton, Newcastle and Sunderland. Everton are currently the biggest club purely because of where they sit in the league. In terms of all three as far as the rest of the country is concerned the trophy count is nothing but history and i don't think they would view any of the three clubs as 'big' - but again Everton's trophy is at least for me in living memory.
 
Great video; loved the backing generic inspirational music and general bitterness towards Allardyce, especially the one who blamed him for Koeman's over spending. Absolutely lost it when the fan suggested sharing a river with Liverpool made them a smaller club.

Do they just ignore the more rational fan interviews or do they only interview dodgy looking characters and hope for the best?
 
I think "Big" is about mentality and ambition and unfortunately we (Sunderland) think small and lack ambition. Everton on the other hand, think big and have serious ambitions for being in the top six/top four. Newcastle, under Hall/Shepherd etc., used to think big but since Ashley the mentality has been about balancing the books and the only ambition staying in the Prem. The mags can dine out on bigger crowds/one city club etc. but in an era where TV money has rocketed their record signing is from 2005 at 20.5 (Owen) - Everton have seven signings costing more than that (Liverpool for comparison have 16 and Man Utd 25), even Palace have more. Newcastle last won a trophy in 1969, Everton have won 6 major trophies since then. No contest in my view and with Ashley at the helm, long may it continue. The last thing we want is them getting an ambitious owner as they will be unbearable!
 
I have the mags at the bottom of the second tier of clubs in the U.K.. made up of Spurs, Everton, Celtic, Villa, the mags.

Spurs looking to break up to the bottom of the top tier and the mags in the process of transitioning down to the top of the third tier with the likes of us, West Ham, Leeds, Rangers, Forest.

Obviously the top tier being Utd, City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal.

Mags 10th
Everton 8th
So you're putting Sunderland in the same bracket as Newcastle?

Is that before or after administration?

Who is shagging off South Tyneside? Judging a club by who it shares a river with or not is just f***ing ridiculous

Who brought shagging into it ...?

You've got a one track mind. ..
 
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So you're putting Sunderland in the same bracket as Newcastle?

Is that before or after administration?

No Newcastle at the bottom of the bracket above right now. No matter what happens with us over the next 5 years we will still be a big club, could slip down to Leeds forest territory if things really go tits up mind.
 
this is all subjective and changes over time. In 1955 we were second biggest in terms of trophy wins behind Villa. over the years various clubs became 'big club's' then drifted away again. Blackburn won the premier league for example.
 
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