The fist rule of thermodynamics is that energy can’t be created or destroyed.
Lockdown = Absolutely ZERO Flu
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People such as yourself just don’t seem to get that science moves with the evidence.
It’s very telling, who gets confused by this. Those who are used to basing all their views on unchanging values, rather than an objective appraisal of the evidence, just can’t understand why the advice changed when new evidence came to light.
It is their own ignorance and lack of thinking skills, not the fault of the govt or the science.
Scorer
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It hasn’t disappeared but hasn’t cropped up in the reasonably low number of specific tests where usually it would be. This is definitely and obviously linked to lockdown and hygiene along with higher vaccination. To think that hasn’t massively reduced flu transmission would be ridiculous. There undoubtedly will be people that have had flu, some will have assumed they had Covid-19 and some people that may have had Covid 19 will think they had flu. The tests are specific though so anyone tested will know to a high degree of accuracy. I work across care homes and hospitals and there’s also been no Nora virus outbreaks, you can’t confuse that with Covid and it’s incidence reduction is almond entirely down to better hand washing.
Gelan
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Exactly, we cannot f**k up the planet and expect to get away with it...balance of nature, plain and simple.
PTR
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Thing is, a mild cold for person A could be a much worse issue for person B in the office when they catch it.
Everyone on my mam's side of my family has a tendency for chest infections. I typically end up on antibiotics every other year for it, my mam 1-2 times per year.
The first rule of thermodynamics also isn't the first rule of thermodynamics, which is fun.
The rules of thermodynamics start with the zeroth law
Do you have ANY idea how science works?
When new evidence is provided, the answers can change
That's what science is
The opposite is where crap like religion comes from - where facts don't change the dogma, no matter what.
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Gelan
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Thing is, a mild cold for person A could be a much worse issue for person B in the office when they catch it.
Everyone on my mam's side of my family has a tendency for chest infections. I typically end up on antibiotics every other year for it, my mam 1-2 times per year.
The first rule of thermodynamics also isn't the first rule of thermodynamics, which is fun.
The rules of thermodynamics start with the zeroth law
Do you have ANY idea how science works?
When new evidence is provided, the answers can change
That's what science is
The opposite is where crap like religion comes from - where facts don't change the dogma, no matter what.
Fancy reviewing my science? Others dont want to just in case it changes things, saying things like "make the nasty man go away" I'm afraid I wont
PTR
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Sorry, my mailbox was full.Fancy reviewing my science? Others dont want to just in case it changes things, saying things like "make the nasty man go away" I'm afraid I wont
To be honest, unless its something I'm personally interested in, I don't really have much time - work is very busy, kids are ill, and I've got half my floor up for replacement
To be fair to the Government (!) I think they were desperate for PPE back then. They needed all available PPE for NHS and care workers.
Gelan
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Sorry, my mailbox was full.
To be honest, unless its something I'm personally interested in, I don't really have much time - work is very busy, kids are ill, and I've got half my floor up for replacement
Same here without kids lol, but not a serious request as it is one simple diagram...you either get it or you crawl back under your stone. Cheers anyway
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Harry Angstrom
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PTR
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What?Same here without kids lol, but not a serious request as it is one simple diagram...you either get it or you crawl back under your stone. Cheers anyway
But ok, send it over.
I did have a suspicion that this was the real reason for the message at that time.
Once supplies were increased, the message changed.
themanagersnot2blame
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“People like yourself”, don’t understand that senior scientists (that have climbed the ladder to become trusted advisors to government and world bodies) are not free to (or inevitably interested in) acting entirely in accordance with their own beliefs and paying no attention to political interference or intervention.
Can the scientific consensus on the efficacy of masks change over time - absolutely.
Can decades of scientific consensus change overnight from ‘probably a bit pointless/ potential to cause as much harm as any good’ to ‘utterly essential’ overnight? Absolutely no chance.
Could a government keen to ‘be seen to be doing something’ seek to negotiate support (for an intervention its scientist were largely ambivalent about), as part of the negotiation on measures to be introduced? Could this change be implemented overnight? Absolutely.
... ps keep attacking the person rather than the argument if you think that’s an effective way of getting your message across.
PTR
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6mm ply arrived earlier. Got LVT to put down on top (& rolls of underlay of course).
Put the word file on a cloud storgae somewhere and send the URL mate.
Gelan
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“People like yourself”, don’t understand that senior scientists (that have climbed the ladder to become trusted advisors to government and world bodies) are not free to (or inevitably interested in) acting entirely in accordance with their own beliefs and paying no attention to political interference or intervention.
Can the scientific consensus on the efficacy of masks change over time - absolutely.
Can decades of scientific consensus change overnight from ‘probably a bit pointless/ potential to cause as much harm as any good’ to ‘utterly essential’ overnight? Absolutely no chance.
Could a government keen to ‘be seen to be doing something’ seek to negotiate support (for an intervention its scientist were largely ambivalent about), as part of the negotiation on measures to be introduced? Could this change be implemented overnight? Absolutely.
... ps keep attacking the person rather than the argument if you think that’s an effective way of getting your message across.
I can see both sides of the argument...debate of the week for me, carry on guys
I don't have cloud...it's ok, not meant to be...but maybe swap floor pics at a later date
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“People like yourself”, don’t understand that senior scientists (that have climbed the ladder to become trusted advisors to government and world bodies) are not free to (or inevitably interested in) acting entirely in accordance with their own beliefs and paying no attention to political interference or intervention.
Can the scientific consensus on the efficacy of masks change over time - absolutely.
Can decades of scientific consensus change overnight from ‘probably a bit pointless/ potential to cause as much harm as any good’ to ‘utterly essential’ overnight? Absolutely no chance.
Could a government keen to ‘be seen to be doing something’ seek to negotiate support (for an intervention its scientist were largely ambivalent about), as part of the negotiation on measures to be introduced? Could this change be implemented overnight? Absolutely.
... ps keep attacking the person rather than the argument if you think that’s an effective way of getting your message across.
I attacked the argument. It just so happened I needed to explain why the person had misunderstood
The only people I have any interest in convincing are those who are unsure what the evidence says or how they should act.
You’re not someone who is yet to make up their mind, you have firmly fallen on the side of COVID scepticism.
I don’t disagree that political factors can get in the way, but it’s fairly unprecedented, in the UK at least, to have masks as a population-level intervention.
It isn’t that they didn’t know masks work in say, a lab environment, but whether or not masks would be likely to work at population-level, in the real world.
Mercia Blackcat
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The strange thing about a virus is that it can't self-replicate but needs to invade a living host cell to reproduce. They are effectively rogue strands of DNA but mutations can occur in the reproduction process. Do they even qualify as a true form of life? So I don't think they can battle each other for dominance.
I've only had real flu a couple of times in my life, anyone remember Hong Kong flu of the early 1970s. Real flu is a f***ing bastard and you have difficulty even reaching the bathroom from your bedroom. It certainly wont have gone away. The strains we are fighting today are derivatives of the 1918/19 flu which they think was also the source of an epidemic in the 1800s and possibly the Middle Ages as well.
They tend to monitor the flu strains in Australia before producing the vaccine for the winter here in the UK.
I've only had real flu a couple of times in my life, anyone remember Hong Kong flu of the early 1970s. Real flu is a f***ing bastard and you have difficulty even reaching the bathroom from your bedroom. It certainly wont have gone away. The strains we are fighting today are derivatives of the 1918/19 flu which they think was also the source of an epidemic in the 1800s and possibly the Middle Ages as well.
They tend to monitor the flu strains in Australia before producing the vaccine for the winter here in the UK.
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That is something that has been ignored on here. We have a whole flu season to get through in the Southern Hemisphere before our next one starts. If anything drastic happens, which I don't believe it will, we will have advance warning.
SurreyMackem
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I thought the problem with was false negatives. It's only picking up 50% of cases.
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