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Kristjaan Speakman

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they produce a hell of a lot more pro footballers than Sunderland like.

Genuine question, based on what? I'd say we have produced a hell of a lot of pro footballers over the last 10 years. Many will have dropped down the leagues as their careers have progressed but have at least signed pro contracts and played at a professional level at a point in their career after leaving us. I'm not having a go, I'm simply questioning if you have anything to back that up?
 

jesus imagine having to go back 25 years to name a third decent youth team player we've produced :neutral:

Mumba, Waghorn, Henderson, Pickford, Honeyman. Just for a start. Our Academy gets slated a lot but it's produced some good professional footballers. The fact that they've moved on or haven't been utilised at this club says more about SAFC than it does the players.
 
Mumba, Waghorn, Henderson, Pickford, Honeyman. Just for a start. Our Academy gets slated a lot but it's produced some good professional footballers. The fact that they've moved on or haven't been utilised at this club says more about SAFC than it does the players.
There's a few that have dropped down leagues and now in prem, Egan comes to mind.
 
Genuine question, based on what? I'd say we have produced a hell of a lot of pro footballers over the last 10 years. Many will have dropped down the leagues as their careers have progressed but have at least signed pro contracts and played at a professional level at a point in their career after leaving us. I'm not having a go, I'm simply questioning if you have anything to back that up?

what you mean based on what? Based on numbers. I’m on about people throughout the leagues aye
 
Like I say, they’re probably about on par with what we have done in the last few years. Fry, Tavernier, Coulson and Spence and in the same amount of time, we could name Pickford, Hume, Embleton, Robson, Kimpioka, Diamond, Asorro and Maja.

Now it’s fair to say that Boro have managed those players better than we have but I don’t agree that they have produced more. You could argue the players they have produced are at at better level than us but even then, we could point to Pickford and Maja performing at a higher level. I would then point to the lads coming in at a slighter younger age group and we are more than likely well ahead of the Boro. Huigull, Pye, Stephenson, Spencer, Sam Greenwood, Mumba etc are all at top PL and Championship clubs. Like I said, I’ve got close ties to Boro academy and beyond the likes of Nathan Wood and Nick Hood, there’s not many who are going to go beyond where they are at the moment which is mid-bottom half of the Championship.

it’s such a crying shame those lads leaving up

like a dagger to the heart!

I was led to believe that mumba felt he had no choice but to leave

and we made absolutely no effort to keep the 3 who went to man utd and Liverpool o

contrary to the lazy opinion on here lads aren’t desperate to leave if they felt they are being looked after and had a pathway

they were actively flaunted by Donald’s cronies
 
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There's a few that have dropped down leagues and now in prem, Egan comes to mind.

John Egan
Connor Hourihane
Trevor Carson
Ben Alnwick
Jak Alnwick (despite what certain people may tell you, Jak spent a number of years within the Academy and is 100% a product of the AoL)
Jordan Cook
George Honeyman
Alex Gorrin (6 years which by UK rules state he is SAFC produced)
Mikael Mandron

That's just off the top of my head. SAFC have always had a successful Academy, we've just never utilised it properly.
what you mean based on what? Based on numbers. I’m on about people throughout the leagues aye

Based on numbers throughout the leagues, from the Premier League down to, shall we say the National League (whether it's North or South), SAFC have comfortably produced a hell of a lot of footballers.
 
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I tried to talk about football on Tuesday and my meldrew didn't get a single reply :(
Your posts are class mate - just focus is elsewhere atm. Keep them coming they're fair and impartial and as an exile really appreciate it.
John Egan
Connor Hourihane
Trevor Carson
Ben Alnwick
Jak Alnwick (despite what certain people may tell you, Jak spent a number of years within the Academy and is 100% a product of the AoL)
Jordan Cook
George Honeyman
Alex Gorrin (6 years which by UK rules state he is SAFC produced)
Mikael Mandron

That's just off the top of my head. SAFC have always had a successful Academy, we've just never utilised it properly.


Based on numbers throughout the leagues, from the Premier League down to, shall we say the National League (whether it's North or South), SAFC have comfortably produced a hell of a lot of footballers.

Most of those were during the Prem years and weren't up to that standard but still went on to earn a living out of the game TBF. Pickford and Hendersons are few and far between. Maybe we should cast the net a bit wider?
 
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it’s such a crying shame those lads leaving up

like a dagger to the heart!

I was led to believe that mumba felt he had no choice but to leave

and we made absolutely no effort to keep the 3 who went to man utd and Liverpool o

contrary to the lazy opinion on here lads aren’t desperate to leave if they felt they are being looked after and had a pathway

they were actively flaunted by Donald’s cronies

Yes, it is like a dagger to the heart of this football club. Those lads have given their youth to their football club and have more than likely growing up like yourself and I did of one did walking out onto that lush, green turf of Roker (for you and I presume?) or the SoL.

We know that Donald and his cronies have seen this world class, category 1 Academy as nothing more than a short term cash cow. It's killed the development of this football club for several years. Can you imagine if this season alone, we could have called upon the likes of Mumba instead of McLaughlin or Power or Scowen, or Luca Stephenson to be involved in the squad instead of wasting money on the likes of Scowen, how good would it be if we could give Logan Pye an opportunity to push Denver Hume to improve his first team performances. What would be the response be if Sam Greenwood or Joe Huigill were given a start or even brought on to replace Charlie Wyke or Danny Graham. Christ, we can't even give the players we can keep hold of, Neil, Diamond and especially Embleton ahead of plodders like Maguire!!
 
John Egan
Connor Hourihane
Trevor Carson
Ben Alnwick
Jak Alnwick (despite what certain people may tell you, Jak spent a number of years within the Academy and is 100% a product of the AoL)
Jordan Cook
George Honeyman
Alex Gorrin (6 years which by UK rules state he is SAFC produced)
Mikael Mandron

That's just off the top of my head. SAFC have always had a successful Academy, we've just never utilised it properly.


Based on numbers throughout the leagues, from the Premier League down to, shall we say the National League (whether it's North or South), SAFC have comfortably produced a hell of a lot of footballers.

Yeah we are getting better, Boro have got more

Wasnt a dig at our academy, we've got a brilliant batch
 
Mumba, Waghorn, Henderson, Pickford, Honeyman. Just for a start. Our Academy gets slated a lot but it's produced some good professional footballers. The fact that they've moved on or haven't been utilised at this club says more about SAFC than it does the players.
You forgot the ginger Pirlo
 
Your posts are class mate - just focus is elsewhere atm. Keep them coming they're fair and impartial and as an exile really appreciate it.


Most of those were during the Prem years and weren't up to that standard but still went on to earn a living out of the game TBF. Pickford and Hendersons are few and far between. Maybe we should cast the net a bit wider?

My point was, we do have an Academy capable of producing professional footabllers. The fact that the majority have left for a minimal fee or nowt is down to mismanagement on the clubs part, nothing to do with the quality or potential of the lads themselves
You forgot the ginger Pirlo

He's a forgettable bloke but yes, point taken.
 
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As mentioned before his career finishes (whatever his job title was) have been 15th, 15th, 17th, 12th, 18th, 17th 11th, 8th, 12th. He has never even got a team into the play offs. Only at Sunderland under this current regime could be employ someone who we have to say to - you can have the job but you'll have to substantially improve on your career performance so far. Fair enough they are looking for a head coach but at least look for someone who has the slightest bit of success on their cv. Appointing Johnson would be just about the most brainless and unpopular appointment ever.
I didnt say he was my choice just that of names mentioned he is only coach on that list.
And the nightmare continues.
Its a tiny pool of caoches that are currently available. There is hope we could temp somebody out of a job.
 
My point was, we do have an Academy capable of producing professional footabllers. The fact that the majority have left for a minimal fee or nowt is down to mismanagement on the clubs part, nothing to do with the quality or potential of the lads themselves

Not disagreeing with you mate. Just saying not many of those met the standard required at the time.
 
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