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stephen cartwright
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Define class off the field, please?
He hasn’t fallen out with Surrey or any of the franchises he’s played for. He also still has plenty of friends within cricket so it isn’t as black and white as you make out.
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Conducting yourself the right way,Gilchrist, Tendulkar, Holding are prime examplrs
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stephen cartwright
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So the likes of Botham and Gower, would not have the off field class to merit selection, due to their high jinks?
Wouldn’t we all but it doesn’t always work that way.
Look at your avatar for example, he rubbed up plenty the wrong way and is the prime example of how just because you’re the best you won’t always be looked at favourably by the powers that be if you’re a bit of a maverick.
What did KP do that we know of. Called the captain a ‘doos’ and apparently (this has never been confirmed) told the saffers how best to get Strauss out, a blind man on a galloping horse could’ve worked that out man!
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stephen cartwright
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It's all boils down to pietersen and Flintoff making big money with the IPL, when the likes of broad, Strauss, Anderson and swann thought they were as a big a star at the time.
It bred resentment and led to pietersen being unable to get a full contract.
He was coming towards his end and wanted to milk what he had to the most effect.
The irony now is how those who are T20 as well as test players get a free pass card to the IPL
It bred resentment and led to pietersen being unable to get a full contract.
He was coming towards his end and wanted to milk what he had to the most effect.
The irony now is how those who are T20 as well as test players get a free pass card to the IPL
Sorry mate but you are living in dream world if you think that’s how everyone behaves mind. Warne, ponting, Stokes, Botham, Gower, Warner, Kohli, boycott etc are all prime examples of top players who had off field issues.
As I’ve saud before why does it bother you how he behaves in dressing room? You aren’t part of it you just watch when he’s performing for team you support and if doing the business why worry? My interest in the players ends as soon as they are finished what they are doing be it batting, bowling or fielding.
Voice of fair play
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How many captains wanted to drop them two when they were clearly good enough to make the side.
I think the difference with KP were one issue after another where Botham and Gowers were more one off incidents
This sums it up nicely.
Botham one off incidents??? Give owa man.
Also gooch got shot of Gower as well.
Voice of fair play
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Once again mate the players you mention were more one off incidents and no captains to my knowledge wanting them dropped when good enough to make the side,
Well in your opinion why did selectors and captains want to keep selecting Botham but not KP.
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stephen cartwright
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You were talking about class on and off to justify selection
Botham one off incidents. Giv ower he was always on the drink, held parties on rest days, was banned for fighting, and was banned for drug taking
Did the Twitter account created by a mate of broad not show a lack of class?
Botham got dumped for 3 months with the cannabis stuff then when got himself fit for tour of Windies they didn’t pick him and went for David Capel instead. Botham was past his best mind probably a bit like KP but better than what was being picked ahead of them.
Botham fell out with Somerset as well by the way.
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I wasn't I don't think you should have class off the field to be get selected at all.
You should get selected purely on talent, and class off the field does not really matter(although nice to see)
However clearly in KP case players and captains were sick of his antics, soo much soo that they actually put they team at a disadvantage of possibly losing games, which to me tells me he must have been bad
You got the impression they wanted to pick Botham but felt they couldn't, where as KP they were just sick of him.
We both have no idea what happened fully with KP, but can't get away mate, that he was easily good enough by a country mile to make the side, yet they chose not too, that just says a thousand words to me.
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stephen cartwright
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What antics?
The want to maximise his earnings and play in the IPL, which others were deemed not worth to be bid for!
That was the real gripe with Messer's Strauss, broad, swann and Anderson
England were top dogs, so they thought, if pietersen is getting big money, so should they. Remember the likes of Anderson and prior were not at all pleased to miss out on the world T20 win.
Broad as a part of that thought, he would be a shoe in to get a bit of IPL dosh but again he was denied.
All this schoolboy, he said this, so I said that is bollocks
It was down to pure finicial jealousy
I reckon if Broad for example had gotten himself a fat contract like KP did in IPL this would all have played out differently.
Brian Clough was overlooked for England job despite being far and away the best candidate which put the national team at a disadvantage you could argue.
Like I say it’s not always as simple as it seems.
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The Brian Clough is bad comparison mate, the FA were shit scared what he would say in public.
Where the players themselves were pig sick of KP, so much soo that a captain did not want such a talented player in his own side?
There is no doubt KP was right to play in the IPL.
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stephen cartwright
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Why were they pig sick? A text to Graeme Smith? Give me a break
It's money, noteriety and fame.
We were number one, they all expected the untold riches that the IPL, just starting remember, would bring
Strauss, broad, Anderson and prior were big reasons we got the number one, but it ended there for them
No IPL riches, just the central contract. KP got the IPL contract and the others kicked up such a stink to prevent him from fulfilling it
I've read kps book, I've read Strauss, Andersons Swans and broads.
It's as clear as day in them the resentment caused over the earning potential or otherwise
A text to Graeme Smith. Jesus Christ almighty
They wouldn't text opposition players in the same series giving away team secrets and slagging off their captain, no
Its indefensible, and it says a lot you are trying to defend it
Good god.
I don't think team sport is for you then mate.
They were pig sick because it was all about KP, the IPL, the big money, wanting to miss games to maximise earnings etc. Amazing that a lot of the chew on he had has been resolved now and players can now have their cake and eat it. As I said if other players had been in his position he may have found some allies. Sure he said in his book that Prior was very much against KP wanting to miss games for his own ends due to these 20/20 franchises. Apparently he got a gig in the big bash and he was lapping it up
As I’ve saud KP has an ego and it seems he’s someone who is very forthright which rubs people up the wrong way, combine that with his frustration at not being allowed to maximise his earnings and having no sympathetic ears in dressing room as the others who’d put themselves up auction had been shunned it makes for the situation we got. Could’ve and should’ve been handled much better. The fact the ECB now give the players more leeway is an acknowledgement on their part that they now know it wasn’t the right thing to do.
What team secrets?
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