Just Stop Oil

Bearing in mind the 1st law of thermodynamics, has any research been done to the impact of taking energy from our atmosphere? For example will it retard the spin of the earth causing the planet to spiral into the Sun - we need to be told the truth !
 


Mercia Blackcat said:
I agree but what is the carbon footprint of manufacture, transportation and installation on the scale required globally and how many years does that take to be offset?
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How about this for a juxtaposition:

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Vattenfall Stops Developing Major Wind Farm Offshore UK, Will Review Entire 4.2 GW Zone

Vattenfall has stopped the development of the Norfolk Boreas offshore wind power project in the UK, and will review the way forward for the entire 4.2 GW Norfolk Zone, the Swedish energy company revealed in its interim report.
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A offshore wind project has been shelved due to rising costs which will be a direct result of fuel costs and steel production, which coincidentally, relies on fossil fuels to make.
 
Kevj said:
How about this for a juxtaposition:

www.offshorewind.biz

Vattenfall Stops Developing Major Wind Farm Offshore UK, Will Review Entire 4.2 GW Zone

Vattenfall has stopped the development of the Norfolk Boreas offshore wind power project in the UK, and will review the way forward for the entire 4.2 GW Norfolk Zone, the Swedish energy company revealed in its interim report.
www.offshorewind.biz www.offshorewind.biz

A offshore wind project has been shelved due to rising costs which will be a direct result of fuel costs and steel production, which coincidentally, relies on fossil fuels to make.
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Another issue is how vulnerable wind farms 47 and 70 km off shore will be in the current geopolitical state of affairs. The world seems to be continuing on a trajectory of rivalry that could lead to even more conflict between Russia, China, Europe and the USA. Rather than coming together at the most critical time in human history, some world leaders are more inclined to argue like children over their share of the ice cream.

Be reconciled that any permanent migration to Mars is a pipe dream. Humans can barely handle a year in space due to the effect on their bodies and although that is in almost zero gravity, on Mars very long term with a gravity of around .4 that of Earth's while probably living underground to avoid the effect of radiation, will prove impossible. We really are all in it together.
 
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Kevj said:
How about this for a juxtaposition:

www.offshorewind.biz

Vattenfall Stops Developing Major Wind Farm Offshore UK, Will Review Entire 4.2 GW Zone

Vattenfall has stopped the development of the Norfolk Boreas offshore wind power project in the UK, and will review the way forward for the entire 4.2 GW Norfolk Zone, the Swedish energy company revealed in its interim report.
www.offshorewind.biz www.offshorewind.biz

A offshore wind project has been shelved due to rising costs which will be a direct result of fuel costs and steel production, which coincidentally, relies on fossil fuels to make.
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Vattenfall warned the UK government last year about their regulations on renewable energy pricing. Oil and Gas production companies prices are not regulated, but UK government caps Renewable energy companies pricing. That is what Vattenfall are referencing wrt market conditions and financial frameworks, not because of rising costs, but because the UK government does not subsidise those costs as they do for oil and gas producers, making a very far from level playing field.
 
derum said:
Vattenfall warned the UK government last year about their regulations on renewable energy pricing. Oil and Gas production companies prices are not regulated, but UK government caps Renewable energy companies pricing. That is what Vattenfall are referencing wrt market conditions and financial frameworks, not because of rising costs, but because the UK government does not subsidise those costs as they do for oil and gas producers, making a very far from level playing field.
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I’m well aware of how CfD financing works and you are right that the framework has not reacted in a timely manner to compensate for rising costs. But costs have risen.
Equinor have pulled two projects recently, Wisting and Bay du Nord citing the very same and will reassess in four years.

This affects FID in both O&G and OSW projects.
 
Mercia Blackcat said:
A climate emergency will affect everyone's life on this planet whereas one person's hypocrisy is but a drop in the ocean and should not be used to cloud the issue.
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let her who is without sin cast the first stone.
it's not clouding the issue at all and fwiw i'm all for the protests but how can she expect governments to pay more than lip service when she herself doesn't care?

it's not dissimilar to boris telling us all to stay indoors while he and the rest of them are partying.
 
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Billy Fish said:
Explain how it's nonsense.
43% of the UKs energy is from renewables so the technology is definitely there. There just isn't enough installed.
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Renewable energy isn't the same as green energy. Wood is a renewable energy but one of the worst polluters out there.
 
Metro Man said:
If that was possible, we'd be doing it already......In 99% of cases its simply not practical. Unfortunately, its a pipe dream.


The planet will fry before we run out of fossil fuels.
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……Because of the use of fossil fuels?

Seems completely counterintuitive, self destructive
 
Darlo1973 said:
Loony woman on Sky News this morning


Takes a lot to make Kay Burley look to be the sane one.
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You've proved her point perfectly. If she'd stayed in her seat for the whole interview it wouldn't go viral. The fact she sat on the floor for a couple of minutes has made you share it here
Personally I thought she spoke well and rationally and got her intended message across.
 
Kevj said:
I’m well aware of how CfD financing works and you are right that the framework has not reacted in a timely manner to compensate for rising costs. But costs have risen.
Equinor have pulled two projects recently, Wisting and Bay du Nord citing the very same and will reassess in four years.

This affects FID in both O&G and OSW projects.
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The situation wrt Equinor and Bay duNord is not one of rising costs. Because the field is outside Canada's 200 mile limit, a percentage of the royalties have to be paid to the UN for redistribution to developing countries. Equinor refuse to give up their portion of the royalties. Equinor also want to build the FPSO in Asia, while Newfoundland and Labrador wants work to be performed within the province.
Equinor’s stance is that they are essentially demanding a subsidy from the Canadian government.
The Wisting project was not just a commercial decision, environmental issues played a big part.

Wrt UK financing, the government has imposed a lower "extraordinary returns" tax on O&G companies than it did on electricity generators, (35% v 45%), with the exception of gas and coal fired generstors, and have stated that they will end this tax early on O&G companies only. As Wind farms are an electricity generator they are being financially disadvantaged by this government.


Oil and Gas producing companies determine government energy policy for the benefit of their shareholders, not for the benefit of the British people. (or American, Saudi, Emirati, French, Brazilian, etc. etc.). and those "benign" state owned companies like Equinor operate no differently.
 
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derum said:
The situation wrt Equinor and Bay duNord is not one of rising costs. Because the field is outside Canada's 200 mile limit, a percentage of the royalties have to be paid to the UN for redistribution to developing countries. Equinor refuse to give up their portion of the royalties. Equinor also want to build the FPSO in Asia, while Newfoundland and Labrador wants work to be performed within the province.
Equinor’s stance is that they are essentially demanding a subsidy from the Canadian government.
The Wisting project was not just a commercial decision, environmental issues played a big part.

Wrt UK financing, the government has imposed a lower "extraordinary returns" tax on O&G companies than it did on electricity generators, (35% v 45%), with the exception of gas and coal fired generstors, and have stated that they will end this tax early on O&G companies only. As Wind farms are an electricity generator they are being financially disadvantaged by this government.


Oil and Gas producing companies determine government energy policy for the benefit of their shareholders, not for the benefit of the British people. (or American, Saudi, Emirati, French, Brazilian, etc. etc.). and those "benign" state owned companies like Equinor operate no differently.
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Apart from Equinor work for the benefit of the Norwegians.
 

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