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June to July 2020 - NUFC

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Redandwhitedust said:
Anyone else detected a shift in attitude from our friends up the road.

Its gone from "Were gonna sign Mbappe"

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"Cant believe we are going to let Matty Longstaff go"
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I can't believe we're going to let a promising young local lad go. Especially as he and Mbappe don't even play in the same position!
 
No7 said:
They've admitted they murdered him though. Must be alright though in your eyes if there is 'no conviction yet'
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8 people were found guilty of his murder, 5 sentenced to death and 3 given 24yr prison sentences.
None of the 8 are subject to the Premier League O&D test so like I say it's a moot point.
Bin Salman has admitted responsibility because it happened on his watch but denies having prior knowledge of it and as there is zero chance of a court case involving him to decide the truth of the matter it simply become a case of you say he say.
Again though I think it's a moot point because I don't think Bin Salman is subject to the O&D test.
 
No7 said:
They've admitted they murdered him though. Must be alright though in your eyes if there is 'no conviction yet'
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the f***ing arseholes are witlessly going in to bat for the Saudi scumbags already, even though the takeover hasn’t even happened yet.

Imagine what they’ll be like after a few years. Sportswashing in action.
 
No7 said:
They've admitted they murdered him though. Must be alright though in your eyes if there is 'no conviction yet'
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Someone else just took the fall.

He puts the order through then detained who done it and let's them take the blame.
 
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AndyH said:
8 people were found guilty of his murder, 5 sentenced to death and 3 given 24yr prison sentences.
None of the 8 are subject to the Premier League O&D test so like I say it's a moot point.
Bin Salman has admitted responsibility because it happened on his watch but denies having prior knowledge of it and as there is zero chance of a court case involving him to decide the truth of the matter it simply become a case of you say he say.
Again though I think it's a moot point because I don't think Bin Salman is subject to the O&D test.
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'Moot point' or not, the CIA stated Salman called the order. I get that takeovers are exciting, and you may become the richest owned club in the world, but you brush past where your money is coming from like it's squeaky clean.
 
No7 said:
'Moot point' or not, the CIA stated Salman called the order. I get that takeovers are exciting, and you may become the richest owned club in the world, but you brush past where your money is coming from like it's squeaky clean.
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The CIA stated their were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq with absolute confidence as well. I just don't think it's relevant as legally its all just you say he say.

It's not the point I am making though, I'm not mounting a defence of Bin Salman in the Khashoggi case, I am happy for the sake of argument to accept he had full knowledge of the murder I just don't think it impacts the O&D test.
Assuming he gave the order it is as a head of state so it is an actions of the KSA not Bin Salman. If Boris Johnston orders a drone strike for example and it is deemed illegal Boris wouldn't get done for it as it's an action of the Uk not an action of Boris.

That a side though like I say I think it's a moot point because I don't think Bin Salman is one of the people undergoing the 0&D test.
 
AndyH said:
No it's not required for you not to be a murderer, the list of exemptions are all based around fraud and dishonesty.
It's a moot point though as firstly its a allegation levelled at the Saudi state not a conviction and more importantly the PIF are a different legal entity to the Saudi State so it wouldn't matter anyway.

The only way the khashoggi incident would effect the take over is if the UK government decides to raise sanctions against the KSA because of it and make one of those sanctions a prevention from Saudi based companies to invest in UK ones.

Aye it's a bit strange that he doesn't ring me and say "what time are we going on the RTG forum today Andy"

Must be true then Sima, Metroman and myself must be the same person, no other possible explanation.
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Murdering someone then trying to cover it up smacks of dishonesty to be fair.

It's the investment fund of the state isn't it?
 
CEF said:
Murdering someone then trying to cover it up smacks of dishonesty to be fair.

It's the investment fund of the state isn't it?
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True bit it's not on the PL's list of things you're not allowed to do.

It is but it's a separate legal entity, or at least i believe it to be so and i have read that this has been confirmed. Also the premier leagues reply to Khashoggi's fiance would suggest that they view it as such.

My personal opinion is if the take over doesn't go through it will not be on legal grounds it will because the Premier League for (insert reason) don't want it to go through so they just stall until the Saudi's pull out because they are frustrated/ insulted or Ashley pulls out because he has become to frustrated.
 
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zebediah said:
People will justify anything when it suits them, hope I never stoop to defending a mass murderer mind.
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Has anyone justified the murder of khashoggi or defended a mass murderer?
I must have missed it unless it's just something you're making up.
Mr B said:
Seriously, do you honestly believe that anyone could be murdered and dismembered in one of his embassies without his knowledge? He will never be prosecuted for it, but most people would agree he sanctioned it.
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I don't think my other log in Sima is saying he didn't have knowledge of it.
he is saying he has never been found guilty of it in a court of law and as you point out never will.
 
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