Jamie Robson, Dundee United player, dresses up as a looky looky man...

[Fetch Fletch]

Another entry into the annals of “white people arent allowed an opinion or to own their own intentions”

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[PrisonBroken]

Bit of a silly thing to do in today’s world, especially after the recent disgusting issues with Sturrige.

Oops you mean Sterling surely or are you deliberately wumming?

Whether or not it's racist depends purely on the lads intention I'd say. It definitely a very provocative and stupid thing to do imo

 

[The Fitter]

So nobody is allowed to dress up as anyone black because it’s racist? One of my biggest heroes is black. Do I have to dress up as someone else who is white instead?

Pretty much. You can't have fun these days in fear of being accused a racist....but it's ok for Sol Campbell & Snoop Dog to paint themselves white?

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

I think surely racism is mostly intent? Obviously there are things which are blatantly racist but things like this obviously don’t have racist intent so surely can’t be racist?

It's also a question of perception by the group which is potentially offended; what's known as unconscious racism. In other words, something which the perpetrator (for want of a better word) thinks is entirely innocent, but is perceived by the affected group as offensive. I'm pretty confident that this player isn't racist in the sense of actively despising a minority,or thinking they're in some way inferior, but has done something, without thinking it through, which is likely to be perceived as such.

 

[Tadger]

I might not mean to run someone over with my car but, if I do, I suspect I’ll review my driving style.

Intentions are important. However, that doesn’t mean you get to say “it’s not racist”. You simply aren’t in a position to do that as you aren’t on the receiving end. All you can do is say “I didn’t mean it to be racist”. Of course, if you’re then told that it is racist you either change your behaviour to avoid offence or continue to act as you did and prove yourself to have been racist all along.

And anyone blacking up in this day and age is likely either too stupid to be allowed out in public or perhaps a bit of a racist.

How far do you take it though? Who’s opinion hold the most weight if all the people within a certain group don’t agree?

Some black people probably find the badge on my avatar racist. However, some black people don't. The bloke that makes them sells to black and white people within our subculture.

It's also a question of perception by the group which is potentially offended; what's known as unconscious racism. In other words, something which the perpetrator (for want of a better word) thinks is entirely innocent, but is perceived by the affected group as offensive. I'm pretty confident that this player isn't racist in the sense of actively despising a minority,or thinking they're in some way inferior, but has done something, without thinking it through, which is likely to be perceived as such.

So essentially the onus is then on the perceived offender to prove they weren’t being offensive, rather than the offended party proving that they were.

That’s dodgy ground IMO.

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[Grumpy Old Man]

How far do you take it though? Who’s opinion hold the most weight if all the people within a certain group don’t agree?

Some black people probably find the badge on my avatar racist. However, some black people don't. The bloke that makes them sells to black and white people within our subculture.



So essentially the onus is then on the perceived offender to prove they weren’t being offensive, rather than the offended party proving that they were.

That’s dodgy ground IMO.

If someone is offended by another person's words or actions, be it racist, sexist, any other kind of -ist, or just generally disgusting, then the action must de facto be offensive, even where there was no intent to cause offence. If I inadvertently say something to someone that offends them (and, let's face it, we all have), then I'd be apologising the moment I realised.

 

[pillars of hercules]

Jamie Robson apologises for 'blacking up' as African salesman

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Bit of a silly thing to do in today’s world, especially after the recent disgusting issues with Sturrige.

However I do wonder if people would moan so much if he went dressed as Homer Simpson ... after all Homers another, non flattering, sterotype

What has happened with Sturrige?

Blacking up is racist. End of argument.

You have to be completely thick not to realise this in this day and age.

Was the film White Chicks racist?

 

[Tadger]

If someone is offended by another person's words or actions, be it racist, sexist, any other kind of -ist, or just generally disgusting, then the action must de facto be offensive, even where there was no intent to cause offence. If I inadvertently say something to someone that offends them (and, let's face it, we all have), then I'd be apologising the moment I realised.

Nah sorry, there’s a wider implication IMO.

Hate Speech legislation is a prime example. Who decides objectively what hate speech is?

I read an article not that long ago (tried to find the source but no joy) where a black woman was served by a disinterested, rude till operator in a shop and she arbitrarily believed it to be on the basis of her skin colour so complained. The company issued a grovelling apology and stated that whilst they don’t believe that there staff member was racist (just shit at their job) they respected her experience as a woman of colour blah blah blah etc

I thought that was absolutely ludicrous.

 

[andriusafc24]

There's some spectacular irony in the OP.

So I wasn’t the only one who noticed then

 

[Pink Panther]

showing or feeling discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or believing that a particular race is superior to another. So you actually think this kid was doing that and not just thinking it was funny to dress up like the lucky lucky men they see when there on holiday?

Did you just assume their gender????

 

[Doeboy]

It's also a question of perception by the group which is potentially offended; what's known as unconscious racism. In other words, something which the perpetrator (for want of a better word) thinks is entirely innocent, but is perceived by the affected group as offensive. I'm pretty confident that this player isn't racist in the sense of actively despising a minority,or thinking they're in some way inferior, but has done something, without thinking it through, which is likely to be perceived as such.

This is fair, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all if the bulk of the offence is coming from white British people assuming offence for the people who are supposed to be offended. It wouldn’t be the first time!

 

[Exapno Mapcase]

In 2018 there are no circumstances I can think of where "blacking up" can realistically be anything other than provocative at the least and intentionally racist at the other extreme. The notion that anyone would do it without recognising the possible implications is difficult to comprehend but it is possible he is that much of an idiot. Nobody needs to black up, it's stupid, isn't funny and belongs in the past.

 

[dsr-burnley]

The problem I have with the idea of "blacking up is always wrong" is that it isn't a new idea. Anyone see the film "The Book Thief"? Fictional, I know, but the principle is exactly as it would have been. A young German lad, blond hair, would make a good Aryan, and wanted to be a sprinter. He saw the Berlin Olympics, he really admired Jesse Owens, and he wanted to become Jesse Owens. So not only did he practice his running, but he also got some shoe polish and blacked himself up. The Nazis, predictably enough, were as outraged then as many people would be today.

Any time that we're standing side by side with Adolf Hitler, we need to think again about whether we are really doing the right thing.

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

The problem I have with the idea of "blacking up is always wrong" is that it isn't a new idea. Anyone see the film "The Book Thief"? Fictional, I know, but the principle is exactly as it would have been. A young German lad, blond hair, would make a good Aryan, and wanted to be a sprinter. He saw the Berlin Olympics, he really admired Jesse Owens, and he wanted to become Jesse Owens. So not only did he practice his running, but he also got some shoe polish and blacked himself up. The Nazis, predictably enough, were as outraged then as many people would be today.

Any time that we're standing side by side with Adolf Hitler, we need to think again about whether we are really doing the right thing.

You're way off beam on this one. The Nazis would have interpreted that as an Aryan wanting to be negroid - an absolute no-no. That would bring the persecution as people liking or wanting to play jazz (one of several types of music they classified as "degenerate"). It's nothing like the offence which can be felt by a minority feeling they've been insulted or demeaned.

 

[The Shinning]

Is the film White Chicks racist too?

 

[Mr David]

It’s not racist. Some freaks need to get a grip tbh.

 

[Smiler]

I don't see how a fancy dress costume is discrimination.

I can't see any prejudice.

I can't see how Robson is saying Scottish people are superior to Africans.

I'd be quite happy to be convinced otherwise as I don't consider myself racist in any way.

Depends on how it's done obviously but if everyone gets tarred with it then Hartlepool have the world's most racist supporters, beating anything some of the Eastern European supporters have ever managed

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[KittenMittens]

Any time that we're standing side by side with Adolf Hitler, we need to think again about whether we are really doing the right thing.

Standing side by side with Hitler. Blimey, that's one interpretation of it Do you want to gas lucky lucky men?

Look, this guy probably didn't mean any offence, but there's clearly a bit of a piss take element to it. This isn't a homage. You have to remember that for centuries, exaggerated blacking up and minstrelsy was a particularly in-grained way of expressing genuine racist views that had a pervading effect on how people perceived black people. There's such a f***ing huge history there that while it's easy for us to say 'that's just a daft Scottish lad having a laugh', to some people they see us slowly returning to a world where it's absolutely fine for people to act like exaggerated, stupid and stereotypically offensive versions of black people. All this 'it were different in my day' stuff neglects that for a lot of black people, it was much worse in their day.

I'm sure mrjardine will be in soon to tell us that next you won't be able to wear bedsheets and leave burning crosses outside peoples' houses anymore.

 

[Chappers]

Nothing like someone blacking up to get the racists to come out of their shells.

 

[Butters]

Blacking up is racist. End of argument.

You have to be completely thick not to realise this in this day and age.

Well he wouldn't be a very convincing looky looky man if he didn't