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Why are you asking who I'm referring to as fighting? Are you denying fighting on the kop? And if you aren't would you describe that as hooliganism?I'm not being cross questioned by the likes of you when you're obviously trying to derail the thread again
Just post your 'proof' about faux incredulity, people saying there were no Sunderland hooligans and me being a hooligan.
When you've done all that I'll respond.
If you don't wish to answer I'm not bothered as we both know the answer, the problem you have is that it doesn't fit in with your "who me guv, wasn't me guv, honest guv" act.
Wether you want to admit it or not you were a hoolie back in the day, simple as that. Fighting on terraces where there are innocent people, bairns etc is disgusting really.
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Reiver
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Because he had one go and failed ..... odds on he'd come back for another go.
Still hasn't posted any stories or about Sunderland characters.
I'm not being cross questioned by the likes of you when you're obviously trying to derail the thread again
Just post your 'proof' about faux incredulity, people saying there were no Sunderland hooligans and me being a hooligan and starting trouble in the Kop.
When you've done all that I'll respond.
don't bite man.
this has been a great thread with some cracking tales of people's experiences following this team of ours. it'd be a shame if it got binned.
iirc this is the second attempt to ruin it.
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The Legendary Tongue
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What are your experiences from the 60s 70s and 80s games home and away?
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Reiver
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I've posted about fighting on numerous threads.
However, I've also clearly stated I was never part of a hooligan gang, never went looking for trouble or started it.
You're absolutely desperate to brand me a hooligan and have repeatedly posted that for years ..... thread after thread.
I have to be blunt, I really don't care what you think.
86 first game and never saw any bother. I haven't denied that there was more chew back on those days but those claiming we were always the innocent party and just a bunch of daft lads not looking did bother are just full of shit as I've already shown.
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Reiver
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So fighting on terraces doesn't make you a football hooligan.
Ill let you get back to fighting the good fight anyway. Claiming you didn't recall going into the kop in our colours then 1 post later claiming you'd told that story dozens of times was the particular highlight. Closely followed by the quizzical responses to fighting on the kop.
My work here is done
Wakey ftm in Sussex
Striker
That must mean yr probably 30/40 ish, shouldn't you have a life by now?
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Reiver
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So fighting on terraces doesn't make you a football hooligan.
Ill let you get back to fighting the good fight anyway. Claiming you didn't recall going into the kop in our colours then 1 post later claiming you'd told that story dozens of times was the particular highlight. Closely followed by the quizzical responses to fighting on the kop.
My work here is done
Of course it doesn't, only an idiot would automatically think that
It's like thinking that killing a bear, attacking your family, makes you a big game hunter.
I didn't recall whether I mentioned wearing my scarf at a game decades ago on an unrelated thread ...... yes, that proves I'm a hooligan
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The Legendary Tongue
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How old were you. If you were under an adults wing you would hopefully be kept away from likely hotspots.
To be fair a couple of lads have intimated that they were full on hioligans, the rest of it is crack about lads and characters they came across. No doubt Riv and the others got into bother by knowing they were gonna sometimes wind the oppo up by walking close to their lads. But the fact is you, me and every other fucka that's ever gone through their teens and early adulthood have done things 'wrong' that they would do different now. Footy and life in general was different then man, no segregation, strikes industry falling the 70s had to be lived in to be believed. Lads did get jumped for nowt, fights broke out on council estates cos a strange group turned up, the same in pubs and clubs. It happened and to be honest because of the age we were it all seemed a laugh and bonded your friendship more than tiddlywinks ever would.
Leave the thread marra and let lads crack on about years gone by, you seem to be on a mission to derail it.
nandos sonic sauce
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Thank god for that. Please don't don't post again on this thread, as that would be overtime, and you have just clocked outSo fighting on terraces doesn't make you a football hooligan.
Ill let you get back to fighting the good fight anyway. Claiming you didn't recall going into the kop in our colours then 1 post later claiming you'd told that story dozens of times was the particular highlight. Closely followed by the quizzical responses to fighting on the kop.
My work here is done
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Reiver
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More than a couple and even more have stated they won't be drawn in for legal reasons which is fair enough.
TBH going back to a time 40 years ago, and applying modern attitudes, is ludicrous.
It's like accusing anyone who laughed at 'Love thy Neighbour' or sung along to the Black & White Minstrels of being the Ku Klux Klan.
In truth none of us had a f***ing clue what was going on ...... we were daft lads out of our depth putting on a brave face.
He's jealous of the fact we have a million memories, thousands of adventures, hundreds of matches and dozens of mates.
To be perfectly honest I hadn't really realised how many people I actually knew from here.
I'd say there's 20 lads who I've either travelled with or still meet up with ..... I feel privileged.
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The Legendary Tongue
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Aye I wasn't trying to put anyone down, if that's the way it came across. I know I'm far from perfect but it was all a laugh on the drink with the lads, we didn't look for bother but purposely walking 49 mile to keep out the way was never gonna happen.
The lads I knock about with now I met properly at the Cup Final '92. There was loads of us left Seaham for the weekend travelling in cars and buses all meeting together round Kings Cross for the hotels. I travelled with lads I didn't know. Most of us knew each other by sight but not mates. The weekend was class probably the best I've had, Trafalgar Square on the Friday and drinking in Sadies in KX on the Saturday all night 20/30 of us doing the conga with nowt on. The scousers were pissing themselves. We've been mates since and still have season tickets together, there's nowt like the matchfor bringing lads together.
I can sort of understand those that weren't about then thinking the stories are a load of shite but they're not(barring drink messing with the memory) it's the way it was. And growing up then was a laugh and edgy at the same time. Great times.
Esh
Midfield
Spot on post mate. Especially the bit about not having a clue and putting on a brave face etc. Made for a few exciting days out. I started going in the mid seventies with various groups from Durham. Was always a good laugh especially after the event. Always remember getting rescued at Leeds by someone who has been mentioned on here and also climbing into some home only boozer in Birmingham one time via a toilet window. Not the best move ever. Also Cardiff, when we had loads there. We got there late, all windows intact at this point. Saw a motorbike on fire and a burger van tipped over on way to ground. Got to the turnstiles outside of our end to find them closed / not letting Sunderland supporters in. Obvious thing to do was charge the turnstiles avoid the stewards and get in. It was only when we had to make our way around the back of our stand and that the turnstiles actually lead to the cardiff paddock that we realised why they didn't want us to go in that way. I can't remember much about the next part of the journey which was down their paddock and onto the pitch side and then into our end. Locals wer not happy. I have always checked my tickets carefully since that day.
buster
Striker
While Jardine will be sat at home with his full collection of programmes from the last ten seasons , his autograph book half full of autographs no one can read but him , that he waited hours for outside the main entrance to collect . The highlight of his memrobilia is a snatched selfie with Lillian Laslandes which he's had framed and it pride of place on his mummy's mantelpiece .
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Reiver
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From another thread 'Random match scenes'.
"Been to most of the games mentioned and have some great memories.
Dunno if it's been mentioned but Cardiff away, when we had millions there and had the gates down, was incredible."
Just found this which backs up your story Esh.
1201150/page
https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/the-legend-of-the-roker-army.1201150/page-4#post-22366554
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Millwall makem
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I loved it and was lucky enough to meet some of those mentioned. I am trying to now grow up nearing fifty. That sanctimonious twat jabbawocky or whatever he's called clearly never had a life. Fighting on the terraces makes you a hooligan... I don't think so. Hooligans were on the whole organised the rest of us all got into bother at some stage. You couldn't avoid it going away for y are in the 80's. shouting I'm a concentous objector didn't work Mr Jawdine - I tried it. But a good kick in the town halls was very effective.
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Reiver
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Shows himself up time after time.
He'll pick up on one tiny aspect of a thread and analyse it to death.
Just the kind of lad you wouldn't allow to travel with you in case someone died of sheer boredom.
Sums up the point perfectly ...... people like him aren't capable of understanding because they never 'leave home'.
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