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Interesting video on DH Gate, Ali Express football shirts and forged tops in general

PTR said:
Feels like the old pirate downloading argument.

The good as just about as good, but much cheaper. The clubs make the argument that every counterfit shirt sold is costing them a real sale on a 1-to-1 basis.
Of course, this is nonsense. Just because someone buys a £15 shirt, it doesn't whatsoever mean they would have bought a £60 shirt if they hadn't had the cheaper option.

Pretending otherwise undermines any moral high ground that the clubs have. Especially when they are buying the shirts for the same price from the same factories and then whacking a £50 margin on top to literally rip people off.
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So now they're all claiming that the idea that "they all come from the same types of factory anyway" is nonsense, and that Nike's factories are some kind of utopia that we should all celebrate. Very quick google search gets me to this comment:

"But a 2018 report by the Clean Clothes Campaign, found that Adidas and Nike still pay “poverty” wages to workers."

So I'm calling bullshit on that one.
 

jacko_551 said:
Saw loads at the match on Sunday. You can spot them straight away as they have vertu on the back and the yellow on the badge is shockingly bright... Worse than the ones you used to get from the markets in Turkey.
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I can live with a more yellow badge if it saves me £40 like. Otherwise the shirt is more or less the same. Name numbers badges and back sponsors for £13 is fair enough I’d say. I’ve even got the hays badge on mine for an extra few quid.
 
Video is pretty good but the argument that the real ones are so expensive because of all the design etc is a bit floored especially when a lot of clubs have the same template just different colours, you’d think they were making 50p on each shirt ffs.
then when you even had that lad from Nike say the fabric and colours are immense they can’t put it down to materials either since they are using the same.
simple fact is manufacturers fuck the fans for profit, they may well make as much money if they knocked em out at say 30 quid and rely on the far greater sales numbers, but every year the price increases more and more will use dhgate and the others.
was a salient point about regularity of new shirts too, every year for 2 or 3 kits is just screwing everyone again instead of alternate years where kids especially could get a kit a season and still be upto date. If parents are buying 2-3 kits yearly it’s silly not to use the snides as then they have all 3 kits for the same price as one original
 
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jacko_551 said:
Saw loads at the match on Sunday. You can spot them straight away as they have vertu on the back and the yellow on the badge is shockingly bright... Worse than the ones you used to get from the markets in Turkey.
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I don’t wear a shirt but bought the kids ones off DHgate. You’ve obviously not seen these DHgate shirts close up if you say they are worse than the ones from Turkey 😂. It’s night and day difference.
Kids and small adult ones I’ve found to be almost identical and for £14 for the strips for kids it’s a no brainer for me.
 
PTR said:
So now they're all claiming that the idea that "they all come from the same types of factory anyway" is nonsense, and that Nike's factories are some kind of utopia that we should all celebrate. Very quick google search gets me to this comment:

"But a 2018 report by the Clean Clothes Campaign, found that Adidas and Nike still pay “poverty” wages to workers."

So I'm calling bullshit on that one.
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I’d imagine they’ll claim poverty is relative as their workers get an extra dollar a day so really they are paying them like kings😂
 
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Boz33 said:
Video is pretty good but the argument that the real ones are so expensive because of all the design etc is a bit floored especially when a lot of clubs have the same template just different colours, you’d think they were making 50p on each shirt ffs.
then when you even had that lad from Nike say the fabric and colours are immense they can’t put it down to materials either since they are using the same.
simple fact is manufacturers fuck the fans for profit, they may well make as much money if they knocked em out at say 30 quid and rely on the far greater sales numbers, but every year the price increases more and more will use dhgate and the others.
was a salient point about regularity of new shirts too, every year for 2 or 3 kits is just screwing everyone again instead of alternate years where kids especially could get a kit a season and still be upto date. If parents are buying 2-3 kits yearly it’s silly not to use the snides as then they have all 3 kits for the same price as one original
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I'm sure I've read recently clubs don't make much profit on shirts, just can't remember where.

Edit: This was in The Sun but I've read it elsewhere too:

'Their report claims that from an £80 shirt, clubs receive a £4.80 licensing fee.

The retailer then gets £26.40 - meaning if the shirt is bought directly from the club, this money goes to them.

Manufacturers, Adidas in Man United and Arsenal's case, then get £23.47.

Of the rest, £13.33 goes toward VAT, while £1.60 goes to local distribution and £2.40 on marketing.

Each shirt is claimed to cost £8 to make.

Clubs say that it is the manufacturer that sets the exorbitant prices.'

I'm not agreeing with the pricing by the way.
 
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jacko_551 said:
Saw loads at the match on Sunday. You can spot them straight away as they have vertu on the back and the yellow on the badge is shockingly bright... Worse than the ones you used to get from the markets in Turkey.
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The DH Gate kits are shocking quality.
 
Arfa Sleep said:
I'm sure I've read recently clubs don't make much profit on shirts, just can't remember where.

Edit: This was in The Sun but I've read it elsewhere too:
'Their report claims that from an £80 shirt, clubs receive a £4.80 licensing fee.
The retailer then gets £26.40 - meaning if the shirt is bought directly from the club, this money goes to them.
Manufacturers, Adidas in Man United and Arsenal's case, then get £23.47.
Of the rest, £13.33 goes toward VAT, while £1.60 goes to local distribution and £2.40 on marketing.
Each shirt is claimed to cost £8 to make.
Clubs say that it is the manufacturer that sets the exorbitant prices.'

I'm not agreeing with the pricing by the way.
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Let's say that's right

Costs to make, distribute and marketing plus taxes are £25.33
Then
£26.40 is pure profit for the retailer? Over 100% of the actual cost is profit?
£23.47 fee to the brand - again, almost 100% fee vs costs

Yet the club, the entire reason the shirt exists and absolutely nobody would buy them otherwise - this fee is a fiver?

WTF?
Is this why clubs don't let anyone else sell them these days? They want a cut of the retail profit?
 
Just as an aside - because our kits are literally just templates, you can get our purple socks for the away kit for significantly cheaper than retail from prodirectsport. Absolutely identical to the ones that should be in the shop / online store.

3 times I went down the club shop to try and get the bairns socks, but with no luck, nor could I get them on the crap website. Ordered them from prodirect, next day delivery. UK based company.

I’ve a mate who is in the business and he couldn’t find any discernible difference in quality between the DHgate strips and shop bought strips.

I’d never put anyone down for buying kids kits on the cheap. They’re generally decent quality and the kids love to wear them. The cost for the ‘genuine’ ones from clubs is absolutely shameful and profiteering on a huge scale.

Funny old world we live in nowadays, where you can literally get anything delivered to your door with very little effort.
 
Buy your kid 2 Sunderland strips and 2 England strips will cost you the best part of £400, Sunderland ones will be out of date after a year. Go to somewhere like dhgate and get them for £60 and then who cares if you need a new set after a year
Booey said:
Just as an aside - because our kits are literally just templates, you can get our purple socks for the away kit for significantly cheaper than retail from prodirectsport. Absolutely identical to the ones that should be in the shop / online store.

3 times I went down the club shop to try and get the bairns socks, but with no luck, nor could I get them on the crap website. Ordered them from prodirect, next day delivery. UK based company.

I’ve a mate who is in the business and he couldn’t find any discernible difference in quality between the DHgate strips and shop bought strips.

I’d never put anyone down for buying kids kits on the cheap. They’re generally decent quality and the kids love to wear them. The cost for the ‘genuine’ ones from clubs is absolutely shameful and profiteering on a huge scale.

Funny old world we live in nowadays, where you can literally get anything delivered to your door with very little effort.
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Same with out blue one last year, the socks where just plain white team wear) training socks
 
“It’s a criminal enterprise” he says yet Justsport are putting infant kits in our official store that aren’t even the right colour, let alone the right fabric, bears very little resemblance to our actual kit and they are charging a fortune.

I would class this as more criminal, personally
PTR said:
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Then the bellend pipes up again, claiming that fans WANT the clubs to release a new range of shirts every year - his proof is that they fans buy them. As if that demonstrated a desire to buy new shirts. What an utter dick.
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Anyone would think these 80-odd clubs he’s altruistically representing were paying him a fortune
 
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I always get the bairn genuine SAFC stuff for his birthday/Christmas.

But I'll happily use DHgate to buy him England shirts or other footy shirts
PTR said:
The good as just about as good, but much cheaper. The clubs make the argument that every counterfit shirt sold is costing them a real sale on a 1-to-1 basis.
Of course, this is nonsense. Just because someone buys a £15 shirt, it doesn't whatsoever mean they would have bought a £60 shirt if they hadn't had the cheaper option.
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Exactly this. Me and the bairn have always had a soft spot for Malaga. (Took him to watch a match when we were on holiday, saw a great game and their fans were brilliant with us). We aren't Malaga fans, I wouldn't buy a full price shirt, but I will happily spend 15 on a knock off. None of his mates would notice it wasn't real when they're having a kick about.

Likewise with me and the NFL gear. I'm not paying £80 for a Texans Jersey that I'll only wear around the house now and again. But £15 for a knockoff? Why not
 
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PTR said:
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Then the bellend pipes up again, claiming that fans WANT the clubs to release a new range of shirts every year - his proof is that they fans buy them. As if that demonstrated a desire to buy new shirts. What an utter dick.
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Does it not though?

Don't get me wrong there'll be some people who feel obliged to buy them for their kids, but outside of that.

I don't personally buy kits, but I like getting a new one every season.
 
PTR said:
Feels like the old pirate downloading argument.

The good as just about as good, but much cheaper. The clubs make the argument that every counterfit shirt sold is costing them a real sale on a 1-to-1 basis.
Of course, this is nonsense. Just because someone buys a £15 shirt, it doesn't whatsoever mean they would have bought a £60 shirt if they hadn't had the cheaper option.

Pretending otherwise undermines any moral high ground that the clubs have. Especially when they are buying the shirts for the same price from the same factories and then whacking a £50 margin on top to literally rip people off.
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Exactly sell them for a reasonable price and you stop the black market dead in its tracks, its not like we are shelling out a fortune on marketing or have a chain of shops and hundreds of staff who's jobs would be at risk, we run it on a shoestring like everything else apart from the first team.
 
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