FIRST ASHES TEST: Edgbaston

Curran needs the ball to swing or he’s cannon fodder. This years duke balls don’t seem to be swinging and he shouldn’t be selected just because he’s left arm. I just think people are trying to shoo him in because he’s got something about him and bats well. His bowling isn’t good enough unless it’s swinging and first and foremost that’s his main discipline. As a bowler I would have broad, woakes, Stokes, archer and stone ahead of him.

Fair enough, probably right about him needing conditions to suit him but I'd be tempted to give him a go. I think Denly will keep his place anyway
 


Yeah it’s not the fault of our players adapting themselves or showing the application required or the lack of talent available.

Surprise surprise it’s the ECB’s fault yet again!

Totallly to blame for Roy’s brain freeze!
ECB are responsible for the scheduling of domestic fixtures and the packed international cricket programme in all 3 formats which inhibits the development of players in domestic red ball cricket. No surprise that players haven't developed the lengthy powers of concentration required for 4 or 5 day cricket.
 
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Leach would still bat at 11.

Archer averages 30 odd in red ball.
Yeah it’s not the fault of our players adapting themselves or showing the application required or the lack of talent available.

Surprise surprise it’s the ECB’s fault yet again!

Totallly to blame for Roy’s brain freeze!
Were seeing cricketers across the world failing to adapt to red and white ball cricket. Seen this on twitter the other week.

"Since the start of 2018 wickets are falling at a rate of one every 53 deliveries in Test cricket. In the 17 years prior to that wickets fell every 64 balls bowled. Batting in Test cricket is exceptionally difficult at the moment."

We have had plenty of time to prepare for the Ashes and yet we've picked players based on white ball performance.

Roy shouldn't have been picked that's the selectors fault. Him dancing down the pitch is exactly what I expected.
 
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Leach would still bat at 11.

Archer averages 30 odd in red ball.

Were seeing cricketers across the world failing to adapt to red and white ball cricket. Seen this on twitter the other week.

"Since the start of 2018 wickets are falling at a rate of one every 53 deliveries in Test cricket. In the 17 years prior to that wickets fell every 64 balls bowled. Batting in Test cricket is exceptionally difficult at the moment."

We have had plenty of time to prepare for the Ashes and yet we've picked players based on white ball performance.

Roy shouldn't have been picked that's the selectors fault. Him dancing down the pitch is exactly what I expected.

Excactly spot on, rightly or wrongly over recent years every single country involved in international cricket has put more emphasis on white ball cricket, hence what you have just put, so it’s not down to just the ECB!

With the talent available Roy should have been picked imo, but no where near opener he doesn’t even open for his county woukd be more suited at 6.
ECB are responsible for the scheduling of domestic fixtures and the packed international cricket programme in all 3 formats which inhibits the development of players in domestic red ball cricket. No surprise that players haven't developed the lengthy powers of concentration required for 4 or 5 day cricket.

There is no doubt there is a lack of development of red ball cricketers, and you dead right players are not developing the concentration you mention, but that is happening worldwide illustrated by the figures the previous poster has clearly showed.

Rightly or wrongly it’s a worldwide change in nearly every country, but of course like most things on here the ECB has to take the blame!
 
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"Rightly or wrongly it’s a worldwide change in nearly every country, but of course like most things on here the ECB has to take the blame"
That's probably because ECB are to blame for most of the ills in Cricket in this country -after all, they run the show and most of their decision making is autocratic.That's the finding of an independent body not solely posters here. Reserves of 73million have been triggered away on abject marketing of a tournament that only ECB want. Hard to find anything they do well
 
"Rightly or wrongly it’s a worldwide change in nearly every country, but of course like most things on here the ECB has to take the blame"
That's probably because ECB are to blame for most of the ills in Cricket in this country -after all, they run the show and most of their decision making is autocratic.That's the finding of an independent body not solely posters here. Reserves of 73million have been triggered away on abject marketing of a tournament that only ECB want. Hard to find anything they do well

Not sure what any of that has to do with the discussion that batsman worldwide not having the levels of attrition required for test cricket, due to white ball cricket featuring more and more in every country in the world and most countries have similar problems to ours in test cricket.

But if you want to turn it into another ECB bashing excercise crack on, surprised they haven’t been blamed for Sunderland not getting promoted last season tbh.
 
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Not sure what any of that has to do with the discussion that batsman worldwide not having the levels of attrition required for test cricket, due to white ball cricket featuring more and more in every country in the world and most countries have similar problems to ours in test cricket.

But if you want to turn it into another ECB bashing excercise crack on, surprised they haven’t been blamed for Sunderland not getting promoted last season tbh.
it's got nothing to do with the limitations of test batsmen worldwide, it's a justification for the criticism of the ECB. DIsappointing, Voice of fair play, that you have to resort to sarcasm in your last sentence.
 
it's got nothing to do with the limitations of test batsmen worldwide, it's a justification for the criticism of the ECB. DIsappointing, Voice of fair play, that you have to resort to sarcasm in your last sentence.

Well yeah apologies for last sentence ,however the lack of quality test batsman imo is definitely down to a worldwide trend of creating more white ball batsman, and that cannot be put at the ECBs door.

They can’t be blamed for everything that has changed in recent years in cricket although some (maybe not you) seem to want to blame them for everything.
 
Excactly spot on, rightly or wrongly over recent years every single country involved in international cricket has put more emphasis on white ball cricket, hence what you have just put, so it’s not down to just the ECB!

With the talent available Roy should have been picked imo, but no where near opener he doesn’t even open for his county woukd be more suited at 6.


There is no doubt there is a lack of development of red ball cricketers, and you dead right players are not developing the concentration you mention, but that is happening worldwide illustrated by the figures the previous poster has clearly showed.

Rightly or wrongly it’s a worldwide change in nearly every country, but of course like most things on here the ECB has to take the blame!
On the one hand, you identify the ECB as being responsible (along with other boards in other countries) but then say they're not to blame. That's illogical given they're the ones who take decisions in this country.
 
Well yeah apologies for last sentence ,however the lack of quality test batsman imo is definitely down to a worldwide trend of creating more white ball batsman, and that cannot be put at the ECBs door.

They can’t be blamed for everything that has changed in recent years in cricket although some (maybe not you) seem to want to blame them for everything.
Indeed the proliferation of T20 across the globe is the major cause but it shouldn't be an insurmountable problem -nothing wrong with the powers of concentration of the Aussie batsmen, even the tailenders. Shoehorning the CC into the beginning of the season when most of the better English players are at IPL is also a contributory factor,however, which is within ECB remit. This season's schedule has been perfect imo- pity that it can't be maintained.
I fully understand bitterness to ECB lingering, after all Durham are still suffering because of sanctions. The fact is they're a shambles of an organisation.
Won't blame them for SAFC's demise but I suspect both organisations qualified from the same management school :)
 
If ots been neglected how come we rarely lose at home
Developing players takes a long time so the current death of openers is due to decisions and issue occurring years back and our problems mainly relate to not having proper openers.I will say you can point to a lack of red ball cricket for certain players which you can partly excuse given this is a World Cup year.

Do we have a better home record than Australia or India? Not sure we do.
 
Developing players takes a long time so the current death of openers is due to decisions and issue occurring years back and our problems mainly relate to not having proper openers.I will say you can point to a lack of red ball cricket for certain players which you can partly excuse given this is a World Cup year.

Do we have a better home record than Australia or India? Not sure we do.
Unless i have shit memory when did we last lose a home series
 
If ots been neglected how come we rarely lose at home

We've lost a test series in WI who aren't very good. Granted we beat Ireland, bowled out for less than 100 wasn't great. Australia have just hammered us. We done well against India, fair play. 2017 we did lose a test match to the WI at home. We've won 2 out of 5 test matches in 2019. Fyi I never mentioned anything about our home record either

Point I'm making is where is the talent pool coming through in red ball cricket. If you're totally honest, a lot of those who featured in this first test, are what I would deem "one day specialists". Red ball cricket has been neglected in this country. Talent pool is very dry now.
 

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