Ex smoker 49, fatter. Any advice?

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Charmless Man said:
Yes there is. The effect you have observed is not due to cutting out gluten. It may be from eating less calorie dense carbs overall but it has nothing to do with gluten.

Can you explain, using evidence backed arguments, why gluten would cause bloating in someone with no sensitivity to it?

I'd advise you to get checked out by a doctor for any complications but as you still eat a small amount of gluten with no adverse side effects you're probably perfectly healthy.

I have no issue with your diet, don't advocate the use of bullshit backed broscience to others though, please.
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How do you think I know I don't have any intolerance? I have been tested.

I'm pretty sure the calories are the same in gluten free and normal pasta.

I told him what I did and it worked so who are you to say it didn't work because of that, wheres your evidence backed argument?.... Thats right you have none

My evidence is that I switched from normal pasta to gluten free pasta and got more energy from it when working out and lost my pot.....
 


Mackem Chris said:
How do you think I know I don't have any intolerance? I have been tested.

I'm pretty sure the calories are the same in gluten free and normal pasta.

I told him what I did and it worked so who are you to say it didn't work because of that, wheres your evidence backed argument?.... Thats right you have none

My evidence is that I switched from normal pasta to gluten free pasta and got more energy from it when working out and lost my pot.....
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The first thing I'd say is I'm not the one making any sort of claim re: gluten's effects on your health. The burden of proof lies firmly with you.

But to go beyond that, lest you call me a cop out, gluten has never been demonstrated, in any peer reveiwed, scientific study, to have detrimental effects on people with healthy GI tracts.

There was a 2011 paper which suggested, extremely tentatively, that there may be some people who are affected but that the mechanism wasn't understood (i.e. the effect could never have been attributed to gluten alone, but there was a weak correlation). However, the same research group who published that paper are currently in the process of publishing results which suggest differently, and that they didn't adequately control for other factors.

So, aside from your annecdote (scientifically speaking; n=1 with no controls and a lack of any formal observation other than "I lost my pot."), do you have anything else?

P.S - The fact that you still eat gluten completely rubbishes your annecdote anyway. Gluten sensitivity doesn't work like a dimmer switch. You can't just cut down. It's all or nothing. If the symptoms you see were attributable to gluten, you would still be experiencing them.
 
Charmless Man said:
The first thing I'd say is I'm not the one making any sort of claim re: gluten's effects on your health. The burden of proof lies firmly with you.

But to go beyond that, lest you call me a cop out, gluten has never been demonstrated, in any peer reveiwed, scientific study, to have detrimental effects on people with healthy GI tracts.

There was a 2011 paper which suggested, extremely tentatively, that there may be some people who are affected but that the mechanism wasn't understood (i.e. the effect could never have been attributed to gluten alone, but there was a weak correlation). However, the same research group who published that paper are currently in the process of publishing results which suggest differently, and that they didn't adequately control for other factors.

So, aside from your annecdote (scientifically speaking; n=1 with no controls and a lack of any formal observation other than "I lost my pot."), do you have anything else?

P.S - The fact that you still eat gluten completely rubbishes your annecdote anyway. Gluten sensitivity doesn't work like a dimmer switch. You can't just cut down. It's all or nothing. If the symptoms you see were attributable to gluten, you would still be experiencing them.
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I cut out the pasta as this is will be the food that has the most amount of it in, therefore it worked.
 
Mackem Chris said:
why don't you google it as thats what you probably do with all your arguments
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:lol:

Can't tell me?

I don't need to google it for two reasons; a) I'm not the one making bogus claims and b) I'm a doctoral student specialising in protecting important food crops from plant pathogens. Part of attracting funding in that area is understanding the health benefits, or otherwise, of those crops. Gluten is a water insoluble protein composite found in grain endosperms. Unless your body mounts a faulty immune response to it, it is metabolised by your body normally, like almost any other protein you consume.
 
Charmless Man said:
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Can't tell me?

I don't need to google it for two reasons; a) I'm not the one making bogus claims and b) I'm a doctoral student specialising in protecting important food crops from plant pathogens. Part of attracting funding in that area is understanding the health benefits, or otherwise, of those crops. Gluten is a water insoluble protein composite found in grain endosperms. Unless your body mounts a faulty immune response to it, it is metabolised by your body normally, like almost any other protein you consume.
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I don't need to tell you.

I told someone about my personal experience and you butted in, theres no bogus claim as it worked for me and you CAN'T say it didn't work because it did. Just stop posting back to me as its pointless

I'm right because it worked for me and you are wrong
 
Mackem Chris said:
I don't need to tell you.

I told someone about my personal experience and you butted in, theres no bogus claim as it worked for me and you CAN'T say it didn't work because it did. Just stop posting back to me as its pointless

I'm right because it worked for me and you are wrong
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And I'm saying that had nothing to do with gluten. Nothing at all. It was caused by another, unidentified, dietary or lifestyle change.
 
Mackem Chris said:
haha now that is a bogus claim
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Can I draw your attention to an earlier post by yourself: "never feel bloated"

So you never feel bloated but there's still some gluten in your diet? Yet you reckon gluten makes you bloated?

I need you to think really hard about what you're claiming.
 
Charmless Man said:
Can I draw your attention to an earlier post by yourself: "never feel bloated"

So you never feel bloated but there's still some gluten in your diet? Yet you reckon gluten makes you bloated?

I need you to think really hard about what you're claiming.
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I felt bloated after I ate normal pasta, I don't now I eat gluten free pasta.... end of argument
 
Mackem Chris said:
I WOULD eat breakfast! Most important meal of the day :)

Avoid bread if you can or at least just eat brown bread if you eat any at all.

Try gluten free products, this could help massively in reducing the gut!

also nuts are extremly high in fat so ditch them if I was you, also ditch the crisps, again they are high in fat
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1 - Why?

2 - Bread is fine providing you can moderate it, as with most foods. It has actually been linked to better dietary adherence (allow people to eat what they like in moderation and they can stick to it).

3 - CM covered this

4 - What is your issue with the essential macronutrient that is fat?
 
Titus said:
1 - Why?

2 - Bread is fine providing you can moderate it, as with most foods. It has actually been linked to better dietary adherence (allow people to eat what they like in moderation and they can stick to it).

3 - CM covered this

4 - What is your issue with the essential macronutrient that is fat?
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1. Boosts metabolism

2. you are correct

3. CM was wrong

4. If you are trying to cut fat, limit the amount of fat you eat
 
Mackem Chris said:
1. Boosts metabolism

2. you are correct

3. CM was wrong

4. If you are trying to cut fat, limit the amount of fat you eat
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What if I was to tell you the metabolism point was an old myth that was debunked years ago ;)

Yeah, that's a given, but I wouldn't just advise ditching or eliminating a food. A diet should be a long term thing and avoiding foods totally is unnecessary and unsustainable.
 
Mackem Chris said:
1. Boosts metabolism

2. you are correct

3. CM was wrong

4. If you are trying to cut fat, limit the amount of fat you eat
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About cutting out gluten having no effect on 'losing your gut'?

I'm not you know. The only reason to cut it out is intolerance. And you have to cut it out totally. There's no middle ground and 'Oh I'll just avoid pasta made with gluten'.

This doesn't boil down to opinion or annecdote. It's the scientific consensus.

Titus said:
What if I was to tell you the metabolism point was an old myth that was debunked years ago ;)

Yeah, that's a given, but I wouldn't just advise ditching or eliminating a food. A diet should be a long term thing and avoiding foods totally is unnecessary and unsustainable.
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He'd probably say in his experience it's not a myth and you can't tell him otherwise.
 
Charmless Man said:
About cutting out gluten having no effect on 'losing your gut'?

I'm not you know. The only reason to cut it out is intolerance. And you have to cut it out totally. There's no middle ground and 'Oh I'll just avoid pasta made with gluten'.

This doesn't boil down to opinion or annecdote. It's the scientific consensus.

All I said was I switched normal pasta to gluten free pasta and i didn't feel bloated, so yes there is a middle ground as any other food with gluten doesn't affect me so it is pasta which must be high in gluten.


He'd probably say in his experience it's not a myth and you can't tell him otherwise.
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The metabolism thing you could be right, I just remember reading something about it ages ago so no expert.

I personally eat breakfast without fail as I'm training to gain muscle so when my body is starving in the morning it needs feeding, most important meal for me

Charmless Man said:
About cutting out gluten having no effect on 'losing your gut'?

I'm not you know. The only reason to cut it out is intolerance. And you have to cut it out totally. There's no middle ground and 'Oh I'll just avoid pasta made with gluten'.

This doesn't boil down to opinion or annecdote. It's the scientific consensus.


I said switched from pasta to gluten free pasta and I didn't feel bloated.

If I eat anything else with gluten in it I am fine so it must be that pasta has a lot of gluten in it.

No science needed just common sense, I feel bloated when I eat normal pasta, I don't with gluten free pasta
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I eat normal pasta I feel bloated, I eat gluten free pasta I do not feel bloated.

I eat anything else with gluten I don't feel bloated so it is products that are high in gluten that make me feel bloated.

No science needed Mr Doctor of plants. Get back to the field
 
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No, it just means it's nothing to do with gluten :lol:

The gluten content in bread and pasta isn't really different. They're made out of wheat flower, mainly.

That's not common sense. You haven't accounted for every other variable in your diet. If it was gluten related you'd feel that way every time you ate something with gluten in. It could be any number of things, you could be eating more fibre overall or drinking more water.
 
Charmless Man said:
No, it just means it's nothing to do with gluten :lol:

The gluten content in bread and pasta isn't really different. They're made out of wheat flower, mainly.

That's not common sense. You haven't accounted for every other variable in your diet. If it was gluten related you'd feel that way every time you ate something with gluten in. It could be any number of things, you could be eating more fibre overall or drinking more water.
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it means it is to do with high gluten content.........

heres todays food.

Meal 1 = quaker oats, blueberries, 1 scoop whey protein
Meal 2 = Low fat natural yoghurt, honey, apple, walnuts
Meal 3 = Gluten free pasta, chicken breast, spinach
Meal 4 = rice cakes, peanut butter banana
Meal 5 = fish, brocolli, carrots, quinoa
Meal 6 = post work out shake

I drink about 2-3 litres of water everyday

when I was doing this with normal pasta I was bloated and felt sluggish, switched to gluten free pasta (eating the same foods) and felt not bloated
 
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