England v India 5th Test

[Narraback]

On a course at work today so missed a great last day

 

[TopCat]

Great win great series. Wonder if they'll rest Jimmy and Broad for Sri Lanka series

No chance Jimmy will let them rest him when he's close to 600 wickets and likely to retire after the Ashes

 

[rentaghost]

Be charitable. I mean, I think he's absolutely shite - but if it had turned anymore he'd have bowled the lad at the non strikers end?!



Ambrose's is like that too.

Just checked: 405 wickets at 20.99!!!!

Terrifying.

Marshall 376 at 20.94 anarl

 

[toosb]

Aye, but to be fair he got to bowl at England in the 90s. I'd have a decent average bowling in his shoes.....

Fair comment

 

[Comeback_Kenwyne]

I'm not sure. I do remember him touring WI at the beginning of 2009, it was his 32nd test, his bowling average was 35 and there was still debate as to whether or not he was good enough. On that tour he bowled brilliantly on flat pitches, giving away nothing, reversing it cleverly and from that point onwards he was superb.



Dale Steyn 421 at 22.6 isn't bad either

Look at his strike rate.

Actually don't: I'll tell you. It's the best in history. Better even than Malcolm Marshall.

 

[smoker]

Steyn and McGrath could do it in virtually all conditions. At their peak I'd say they were better than Anderson at his peak. But Jimmy has operated at the highest level for longer which is testament to his fitness and work ethic. Not his fault Steyn has glass legs.

 

[Comeback_Kenwyne]

Marshall 376 at 20.94 anarl

I think Marshall has the best average iirc. Shades Ambrose. When you look at his strike rate, he's probably the best.

Steyn is right up there mind, statistically. Younis too is in the top echelon, and Trueman.

Steyn and McGrath could do it in virtually all conditions. At their peak I'd say they were better than Anderson at his peak. But Jimmy has operated at the highest level for longer which is testament to his fitness and work ethic. Not his fault Steyn has glass legs.

Steyn has the best strike rate in test history of those over 200 wickets iirc. He's better than Jimmy.

I'd take McGrath over both though.

My all time attack would be: McGrath, Marshall, Ambrose and Anderson. Bit of everything. Warney can do the twirling.

 

[toosb]

Apparently he said he wanted Stokes at 3 earlier on

He didn't say that at all. He said there was more of a case for Stokes than Moeen at 3. That's highly debatable of course, but he didn't say bat Stokes at 3.

 

[ProfessionalMackem]

Aye, but he's bowled buffet all f***ing series, including today. Absolute dross.

Sorry mate. Whilst I appreciate your input in this cricket forum. You seem to dislike leggie's for sone reason. Tbf you're not the only only bed wetting when the two were in. Rash is a quality cricketer. We won 4-1 at home with him in the side. He scored some decent runs at 9 and took 10 wickets @ 30 with econ of 3.5. Isn't shabby at all.

So all you Rash haters. Including @toosb. Piss off and put that in your pipe and smoke it. Without Rash we would not have won this test match

He was. But it can't be great bowling when your captain doesn't believe in you.

Root f***ing hates him man.

And I forgot to mention he got Kohli a couple of times.

It's always too easy to pick on poor Rash. I like him. And I like leggies. Who we gonna pick instead of him another shit batter?

 

[Comeback_Kenwyne]

Sorry mate. Whilst I appreciate your input in this cricket forum. You seem to dislike leggie's for sone reason. Tbf you're not the only only bed wetting when the two were in. Rash is a quality cricketer. We won 4-1 at home with him in the side. He scored some decent runs at 9 and took 10 wickets @ 30 with econ of 3.5. Isn't shabby at all.

So all you Rash haters. Including @toosb. Piss off and put that in your pipe and smoke it. Without Rash we would not have won this test match



Root f***ing hates him man.

And I forgot to mention he got Kohli a couple of times.

It's always too easy to pick on poor Rash. I like him. And I like leggies. Who we gonna pick instead of him another shit batter?

The game to judge him on was the Rose Bowl. Turning surface, spinners deciding the game. Fortunately for us, he was not the only we picked otherwise we'd have lost.

He played well at Edgbaston, but he's been poor mainly throughout. He doesn't exert pressure, he bowls too many bad balls. I would play Leach away from home where you need less variety and more control, as the pitch does the deed for you. If - and it's a big if - Moeen can somehow prove himself in the top order then there's probably a space for him as an occasional maverick and/or tail mopper when we play at home. But without that I can't for the life of me see why he deserves to be in the team. Yes, I would pick another batsman.

I also think they would have won without him anyway today. I was not bed wetting remotely - I was however frustrated at his bowling.

But yes, it was still an absolutely remarkable ball.

I like leggies too. I'm interested by the lad at Lancashire, Parkinson. Rashid is a known quality - he's not got the control. We'll have a good one day, but it won't be Rash.

 

[scotch]

Anderson's record since 2010

2010-2018 99 187 3751.5 1016 9981 416 7/42 11/71 23.99 2.66 54.1 19 3

 

[toosb]

Sorry mate. Whilst I appreciate your input in this cricket forum. You seem to dislike leggie's for sone reason. Tbf you're not the only only bed wetting when the two were in. Rash is a quality cricketer. We won 4-1 at home with him in the side. He scored some decent runs at 9 and took 10 wickets @ 30 with econ of 3.5. Isn't shabby at all.

So all you Rash haters. Including @toosb. Piss off and put that in your pipe and smoke it. Without Rash we would not have won this test match



Root f***ing hates him man.

And I forgot to mention he got Kohli a couple of times.

It's always too easy to pick on poor Rash. I like him. And I like leggies. Who we gonna pick instead of him another shit batter?

Why do I have to piss off?

 

[Mr Redknapp]

Steyn and McGrath could do it in virtually all conditions. At their peak I'd say they were better than Anderson at his peak. But Jimmy has operated at the highest level for longer which is testament to his fitness and work ethic. Not his fault Steyn has glass legs.

Jarod Kimbe compares Anderson and Steyn to Batman and Superman, Steyn is a natural phenomenon where as Anderson had the best tools to succeed and became great because he gets the best out of everything he has.

 

[Salem Street South]

Sorry mate. Whilst I appreciate your input in this cricket forum. You seem to dislike leggie's for sone reason. Tbf you're not the only only bed wetting when the two were in. Rash is a quality cricketer. We won 4-1 at home with him in the side. He scored some decent runs at 9 and took 10 wickets @ 30 with econ of 3.5. Isn't shabby at all.

So all you Rash haters. Including @toosb. Piss off and put that in your pipe and smoke it. Without Rash we would not have won this test match



Root f***ing hates him man.

And I forgot to mention he got Kohli a couple of times.

It's always too easy to pick on poor Rash. I like him. And I like leggies. Who we gonna pick instead of him another shit batter?

Good post mate, I like leggies too, but why do you say Root hates him? They are both Yorkshire lads and I haven’t seen any obvious visible signs. Why keep picking him if that is the case? I’m not sure he does.

You could be right and I know you could say he’s under used him and not shown much faith in him this series, which has been frustrating for both Rashid probably and us as spectators at times, but he held back giving the new ball to Jimmy for 10 overs to give Rashid a chance with the old one, that says something to me.

I believe we’re heading into another Buttler scenario here and a lot of stuff is being blown out of proportion regarding Rashid (obviously not by you).

He’s far from the finished article but I think looking at the bigger picture, he’s done as well as I’d have expected this summer, given the amount he’s been asked to bowl, the game situations and conditions we’ve found ourselves in.

Yes he’s 30 but he’s a young 30 imo, still very inexperienced at Test level and still developing his game.

Root, too, is still learning as a captain and has at his disposal probably our two best ever bowlers, an outstanding attack in swing and seam friendly conditions and a rejuvenated Moeen - the role in who’s resurgence Adil has played should not be undervalued btw - so has more than likely found getting Rashid into the game not straightforward.

Having said all that, you’re quite right, a return of 10 wickets with an economy of 3.5 along with scoring some valuable runs is not too shabby at all and as you quite rightly say too, we wouldn’t have won yesterday without him.

 

[Mr Redknapp]

Confess that I wouldn't have bowled Rashid after tea going by his performance before tea, but he credit where it was due although he bowled much better then that's leg spinners I suppose .

12,000 runs and 560 odd wickets is some contributions to English Cricket, how the hell are they going to get replaced?

 

[ProfessionalMackem]

Why do I have to piss off?

You don't mate. I was on one. I apologise for swearing.

 

[Salem Street South]

The game to judge him on was the Rose Bowl. Turning surface, spinners deciding the game. Fortunately for us, he was not the only we picked otherwise we'd have lost.

He played well at Edgbaston, but he's been poor mainly throughout. He doesn't exert pressure, he bowls too many bad balls. I would play Leach away from home where you need less variety and more control, as the pitch does the deed for you. If - and it's a big if - Moeen can somehow prove himself in the top order then there's probably a space for him as an occasional maverick and/or tail mopper when we play at home. But without that I can't for the life of me see why he deserves to be in the team. Yes, I would pick another batsman.

I also think they would have won without him anyway today. I was not bed wetting remotely - I was however frustrated at his bowling.

But yes, it was still an absolutely remarkable ball.

I like leggies too. I'm interested by the lad at Lancashire, Parkinson. Rashid is a known quality - he's not got the control. We'll have a good one day, but it won't be Rash.

Unfair to judge him on the Ageas Test imo. The footholes were perfect for Moeen and the game was set up for him as he was flying and full of confidence.

All about opinions but Rashid is a better bowler than Parkinson, and neither him nor Leach are capable of bowling a delivery like that yesterday.

Yes he bowls bad balls, so did Warne. He’s a leg spinner, they tend to be expensive. He also takes wickets, crucial wickets at vital times with exceptional deliveries.

Again it’s all about opinions but we wouldn’t have won without him and indeed were looking more like losing it until he struck as India were cruising and in no danger.

 

[rentaghost]

I think Marshall has the best average iirc. Shades Ambrose. When you look at his strike rate, he's probably the best.

Steyn is right up there mind, statistically. Younis too is in the top echelon, and Trueman.



Steyn has the best strike rate in test history of those over 200 wickets iirc. He's better than Jimmy.

I'd take McGrath over both though.

My all time attack would be: McGrath, Marshall, Ambrose and Anderson. Bit of everything. Warney can do the twirling.

I wouldnt have Younis ahead of his strike partner tbh. Left arm, very quick, swing it both ways, vicious bouncer. Akram had the lot.

 

[smoker]

IMHO what made a difference to Rashid in this game was changing to Anderson at the other end. Stokes and Ali were serving up one or two four balls every over and the batsmen - who had clearly decided to 'take on' the total - were under less pressure to score from his bowling. Anderson came in and bowled neat and tidy: "holding down an end" like seamers on the sub-continent.

His Warne bowl would have got anyone out, that was just great bowling, but Pant's wild hoik was a direct result of this pressure.

 

[Comeback_Kenwyne]

Unfair to judge him on the Ageas Test imo. The footholes were perfect for Moeen and the game was set up for him as he was flying and full of confidence.

All about opinions but Rashid is a better bowler than Parkinson, and neither him nor Leach are capable of bowling a delivery like that yesterday.

Yes he bowls bad balls, so did Warne. He’s a leg spinner, they tend to be expensive. He also takes wickets, crucial wickets at vital times with exceptional deliveries.

Again it’s all about opinions but we wouldn’t have won without him and indeed were looking more like losing it until he struck as India were cruising and in no danger.

Warne bowled about three a session. Rashid bowls at least one every over.

I wouldnt have Younis ahead of his strike partner tbh. Left arm, very quick, swing it both ways, vicious bouncer. Akram had the lot.

Yes, Akram I'd have to consider - for all-round ability and being the most dangerous left-armer.