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SteveFTM said:
For the umpteenth time, yes obviously the visuals and audio are going to be fantastic on a big screen, but that won't alter the actual script or storyline to the movie. Watch the old B&W version of Dunkirk with John Mills etc, there's no multi million dollar visual effects or state of the art audio but it does convey the importance of the evacuation of Dunkirk. The evacuation was every bit as important as the Battle of Britain. Had Britain lost those 350,000 troops on the beaches we would have almost certainly have lost the war. Those men could not have been replaced and a defeat like that would have ended everything, the outcome doesn't bear thinking about. In this movie you get to see the colossal challenges that both Army and Navy experienced as well as the courage and fortitude of those civilians who plied their way into dangerous waters to help rescue the troops stranded on the beach, these civilians risked life and limb to come to the rescue. Many of these old war movies that were made shortly after the war have a gritty depth and realism, probably because most of the actors actually took part in the war itself, they could salute, march and handle weapons because many had done it for real.

As one film critic said about the Dunkirk 2017 movie,

I should love this film. Historical drama? WWII setting? My favourite director Christopher Nolan? Amazing cinematography? Superb performances from an ensemble cast? All of these elements made me sure I would love this going in. But, Dunkirk's lack of emotional connection severely detracts from the awe-inspiring scope and technical prowess displayed.

If I reviewed based on visuals alone, this is a slam-dunk, walk-off home run of a 5-star film. While a focus on grandeur and situation over character depth and emotion may work for some (it obviously worked for 98% of critics on Rotten Tomatoes), it did not work for this critic.

This is without a doubt a cinematic achievement, but without an emotional core, it's impossible for this film not to feel cold and empty. Despite being a technical masterpiece, this is Christopher Nolan's most disappointing film yet.

I'm with @hank williams on this one, much prefer the original version.
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Because you watched it on a cam.a movie that relies on visuals and sound does not come across well on cam marra
 
Ben Gardner said:
good shout, I always thought it strange how amazing the first half is and then it descends into a formulaic standard war fillum.

I remember Run Silent Run Deep being canny, but it's been a while.
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It couldn't be less formulaic. The second half has all the Jungian, duality, peace sign, get some, posers and a f***ing woman sniper for shit's sake and it's in Hue City :)
 
Flared Hicks said:
Well I thought as you've said the same thing 3 times, and ignored everyone else saying you're comparing apples with pears, there'd be no harm in it.
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I've actually made comments about the 2017 movie being somewhat disappointing in regards to the storyline and that the original version of Dunkirk to me is a better movie, if you read the thread you'll see i'm not the only one that thinks this way. For some reason you seem to have latched on my first post that mentioned i'd seen the movie as a stream on kodi, like several other posters. It's childish to keep on stating the obvious that the visuals and audio are better on a large screen or imax, but it's still the same story no matter what media you watch it on. If the visuals and audio are the main priority for you over the storyline then fair enough that's your perogative, but for me and as it turns out i'm not the only one on here, i like a movie that has a good dialogue and characters that draw you into the movie. If you've ever watched the original movie then you ought to understand what those that have are talking about, but then it doesn't have great visuals or audio so you probably haven't.
 
SteveFTM said:
I've actually made comments about the 2017 movie being somewhat disappointing in regards to the storyline and that the original version of Dunkirk to me is a better movie, if you read the thread you'll see i'm not the only one that thinks this way. For some reason you seem to have latched on my first post that mentioned i'd seen the movie as a stream on kodi, like several other posters. It's childish to keep on stating the obvious that the visuals and audio are better on a large screen or imax, but it's still the same story no matter what media you watch it on. If the visuals and audio are the main priority for you over the storyline then fair enough that's your perogative, but for me and as it turns out i'm not the only one on here, i like a movie that has a good dialogue and characters that draw you into the movie. If you've ever watched the original movie then you ought to understand what those that have are talking about, but then it doesn't have great visuals or audio so you probably haven't.
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I've seen more old school war movies than you've had hot dinners man.

Let me know when you've seen the new one as it was intended to be seen and we can pick up this jolly little conversation.
 
Flared Hicks said:
I've seen more old school war movies than you've had hot dinners man.

Let me know when you've seen the new one as it was intended to be seen and we can pick up this jolly little conversation.
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You're obviously got some agenda marra, not sure if you're just on a wind up or what, but you're clearly not happy that others have a different opinion to yourself. Does the storyline change when it's watched on a larger screen? as for the above, give ower lad ffs :lol:
 
skullmeister said:
By Hitler it was.
He personally intervened and stopped his panzers outside Dunkirk without giving a reason.
There has been much conjecture since why he made this decision.
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The fear of Russia entering by the back door maybe. I think he was arrogant enough to believe that we were insignificant at the time.
 
4/5

Only faults for me were that it didn't show the sheer scale of it. Also, the raf played a massive role and that appeared to be also downplayed.
 
janey said:
That's really helpful for me, was thinking about getting tickets for me mam and dad, me Mam hates blood and gore so that was the one thing I was wondering about. I'll book tickets now.
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Lots of Little Old Women present when I went to see it. Far more than Little Old Men (but women tend to live longer I think :D). Either way it was good to see them. Film's not just for the young!
 
Chappers said:
4/5

Only faults for me were that it didn't show the sheer scale of it. Also, the raf played a massive role and that appeared to be also downplayed.
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Disagree there - thought the RAF played in a fair bit of the film, and it was just a microscopic element of the overall withdrawal. For me I thought it was too short. I rewatched the original this last weekend and thought it was, purely on storyline, far superior. Both stand alone, but side by side, for me the original is better. I was actually disappointed that they had changed the name of the character played by Branagh, thought the actual man should have gained the recognition, immensely brave.
 
York said:
Disagree there - thought the RAF played in a fair bit of the film, and it was just a microscopic element of the overall withdrawal. For me I thought it was too short. I rewatched the original this last weekend and thought it was, purely on storyline, far superior. Both stand alone, but side by side, for me the original is better. I was actually disappointed that they had changed the name of the character played by Branagh, thought the actual man should have gained the recognition, immensely brave.
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The raf played a massive role in keeping the Germans from the beech and that wasn't really shown. Think at least three times the raf were slagged off by the soldiers. Then again i think at the time that is what people thought.

Agree completely with the length it could have been at least half and hour longer and in that time that entire scale of it could have been shown.
 
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Reptilia said:
The only real real criticism I have about it is the lack of blood/gore. Some films use it to the point it becomes overkill, but if used in the right way it can have a very visceral effect and I think in films such as this it's absolutely necessary.
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I disagree. The film certainly had its faults, but I thought the careful omission of gore was one of its best qualities.

spike said:
I watched it last night, not that impressed with it to be honest, it fell short and didn't tell me anything the trailers didn't tell me.

I don't think they managed to portray the scale of it successfully, a few lines of soldiers on the beach, about 10 civilian boats, 2 spitfires. Just a couple of German air assaults as well shown, looked like they were dropping hand grenades as well

I agree that there wasn't enough gore shown either, not that it needs loads or to be explicit or anything but I didn't feel like anyone was in danger or scared, even screams of pain following the bombing and then cut to someone witnessing it and more focus on the urgency of the men to get off the beach would have got the message across better.

I also get what Nolan wanted to do with the 3 storylines but it just came across as messy for me, I didn't care about the civilian boat and it got too much screen time

The music and cinematography were both amazing though. Doubt I'd watch it again
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This was my biggest gripe.
 
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Chappers said:
The raf played a massive role in keeping the Germans from the beech and that wasn't really shown. Think at least three times the raf were slagged off by the soldiers. Then again i think at the time that is what people thought.

Agree completely with the length it could have been at least half and hour longer and in that time that entire scale of it could have been shown.
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Tbf everyone slags off the crabs, it's the done thing. Always did, changes when awaiting a lovely A10 to pop down and deliver a present to Taliban mind :)
 
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