Donald and Methvan - Intentions???

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Wardley Makem said:
It’s a discussion forum, so why not discuss.

Donald and Methvan have done an excellent job so far of creating a sense of optimism when us fans didn’t think it could possibly exist. Why?

Is it that they want the club, the fans, the community, to connect and build something substantial, sustainable and reflect our unbelievable heritage? Or - do they want money? Consider their backgrounds.

They walk into failing businesses, fix them, make money. Sell them / incorporate them.

Methvan is a well educated man specialising in PR. We are all buzzing, and why not, we are 4th and in a brilliant position.

Mind, we’ve played pretty poor so far and I’d say had a fair bit of luck.

Is 30,000 plus credited to our tremendous support, aye! Definitely!!!! But, have they played on this to a degree? Exploiting us?

Donald doesn’t have the money to take us from the prem to the top 6, his words.

At this point he’d sell, to Juan. Brilliant plan, or, make a bucket load, then sell (likely. The majority, but keep a small stake in reality), and sit back and reap the rewards while some other daft bugger invests?

Let’s face it, they don’t support Sunderland, or didn’t until 3 month ago. Tony did, and he’s a board member now. Genius. This ensures our best interests are at heart, or, PR genius. Tony is a business man who has worked for levy, I’ll say no more.

Replaced pink seats. Unbelievable PR. (How good does the stadium look!!! I absolutely love it! Is replacing the seats too perfect???)

For me, easy victories or easy to obtain. Could be PR, or good business.

For me, they are business men and and we really need to be run as a business!

I’m optimistic, and very trustworthy! So I’m riding the wave. But these are genuine observations in my opinion and what this board should ‘discuss’.

This post is not an opinion, it’s a discussion point and I really hope it can be discussed reasonably. Let’s see.

(I’ve had 6 cans and my English is shite, deal with it)
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The Rat said:
I get your points, and they are well mate. But I think we'd just risk becoming a run of the mill side, up in the champ maybe after a few more years and then where do we go? We'd need serious investment, which ain't going to come.

I do want to be self sustainable like don't get me wrong, I always defended Short when people said we needed to spend even more money, but I think this whole project needed more investment to get going, or to at least minimise the risk.

However you are right come January we might go again and could do it this year
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I do agree that fail to go up this season and, even if we go up next, the Championship will be bloody hard to get out of. That being said other clubs like Millwall and Sheffield United went up and did well so if we've got a good enough side with hard working players and, hopefully, our good academy giving us some more talent, it won't be impossible. If we stay there too long maybe they'll decide to hand control to Sartori a bit ahead of schedule if he's got the bug (which it looks like he might) knowing that he'd have the funds to push us that bit further
 
See Johnson is moaning all over here because the new owners haven't immediately thrown us back into debt, an issue which took us to the brink and almost into administration.

Thankfully they use rational thinking and planning and realise that if run sustainably we can become a force in football once more.
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
I do agree that fail to go up this season and, even if we go up next, the Championship will be bloody hard to get out of. That being said other clubs like Millwall and Sheffield United went up and did well so if we've got a good enough side with hard working players and, hopefully, our good academy giving us some more talent, it won't be impossible. If we stay there too long maybe they'll decide to hand control to Sartori a bit ahead of schedule if he's got the bug (which it looks like he might) knowing that he'd have the funds to push us that bit further
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Yeah, its all fair points. The basic principle though is that if we don't go up this year, it gets an awful lot harder. We really wouldn't have had to spend much more to get a few quality players in IMO, to make this whole process a lot easier.

For example next year if we were top half championship, I doubt they would have regretted spending a million or so on a centre mid for example

But i am still confident we can go up despite all that.
 
Wardley Makem said:
It’s a discussion forum, so why not discuss.

Donald and Methvan have done an excellent job so far of creating a sense of optimism when us fans didn’t think it could possibly exist. Why?

Is it that they want the club, the fans, the community, to connect and build something substantial, sustainable and reflect our unbelievable heritage? Or - do they want money? Consider their backgrounds.

They walk into failing businesses, fix them, make money. Sell them / incorporate them.

Methvan is a well educated man specialising in PR. We are all buzzing, and why not, we are 4th and in a brilliant position.

Mind, we’ve played pretty poor so far and I’d say had a fair bit of luck.

Is 30,000 plus credited to our tremendous support, aye! Definitely!!!! But, have they played on this to a degree? Exploiting us?

Donald doesn’t have the money to take us from the prem to the top 6, his words.

At this point he’d sell, to Juan. Brilliant plan, or, make a bucket load, then sell (likely. The majority, but keep a small stake in reality), and sit back and reap the rewards while some other daft bugger invests?

Let’s face it, they don’t support Sunderland, or didn’t until 3 month ago. Tony did, and he’s a board member now. Genius. This ensures our best interests are at heart, or, PR genius. Tony is a business man who has worked for levy, I’ll say no more.

Replaced pink seats. Unbelievable PR. (How good does the stadium look!!! I absolutely love it! Is replacing the seats too perfect???)

For me, easy victories or easy to obtain. Could be PR, or good business.

For me, they are business men and and we really need to be run as a business!

I’m optimistic, and very trustworthy! So I’m riding the wave. But these are genuine observations in my opinion and what this board should ‘discuss’.

This post is not an opinion, it’s a discussion point and I really hope it can be discussed reasonably. Let’s see.

(I’ve had 6 cans and my English is shite, deal with it)
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Will this still be the case if we go on a Grayson slump in the next 4 games?

As per usual......You're a bit premature!
 
Ntramped said:
I get what everyone's saying. However given they're both extremely successful at what they already do- making millions. Constantly expanding there current businesses- if it was just about money why wouldn't they just continue down that route.

Hell of a lot of effort for them on a venture that 'may' make them some money at some point if they get absolutely everything right. Which Ellis Short showed is far harder than people think.

So for me I think it is about more than just the money. Think they're proper football fans and couldn't pass up the opportunity when it presented itself.

Will they want to lose money- no. Will they want to see some return on the work being put in- obviously. Think it's one of those scenarios that isn't an either or. They can ne here cause they love football and want to make the club profitable
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Good post mate, cheers. I’d say though, “hell of a lot of effort” (worth it for the potential rewards (prem broadcasting money)). You’ve said it yourself, will they make money? Yes!

That’s your opinion and it’s by no means guaranteed.

Personally I believe Donald, mainly because my post is all derived from the man himself. He’s so transparent and if he was trying to fleece us, why share so many details. I just hope I’m not being naive!

Guinness Guzzler said:
They're businessmen, they're genuine football fans. As a result I'm fairly sure they're genuinely excited about owning a club as big as Sunderland and seeing how far they can take us by running us in a sustainable manner. Donald and Methven don't have the money to lavishly fund our way back but they'll put things in place, take us as far as they can and genuinely enjoy every second of it as people who love spending their Saturday at the football.

At that point the business side of things will take over; having got us as far as they can with the money they're prepared to invest, they will look to sell the club to someone with more funds, preferably someone they trust, hence Sartori. If they've ran us well, we're financially strong and we're, for arguments sake, back in the prem, they'll both make very good money from it.

That's ideal for us, they'll be sensible with the club because they can't afford to fund huge losses. They'll try and push us as far as they can because they love the sport and because that's the way it'll make them money when they sell. So whether their intentions are purely profit, purely football, or as the case will be a bit of both, doesn't really make a massive difference to us. Either way they need to succeed in order to see profit and enjoy it.
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I agree with every word.
 
They have stated before about selling the club for profit. Just like any other business.
Do not see why it needs a thread.
 
Wardley Makem said:
It’s a discussion forum, so why not discuss.

Donald and Methvan have done an excellent job so far of creating a sense of optimism when us fans didn’t think it could possibly exist. Why?

Is it that they want the club, the fans, the community, to connect and build something substantial, sustainable and reflect our unbelievable heritage? Or - do they want money? Consider their backgrounds.

They walk into failing businesses, fix them, make money. Sell them / incorporate them.

Methvan is a well educated man specialising in PR. We are all buzzing, and why not, we are 4th and in a brilliant position.

Mind, we’ve played pretty poor so far and I’d say had a fair bit of luck.

Is 30,000 plus credited to our tremendous support, aye! Definitely!!!! But, have they played on this to a degree? Exploiting us?

Donald doesn’t have the money to take us from the prem to the top 6, his words.

At this point he’d sell, to Juan. Brilliant plan, or, make a bucket load, then sell (likely. The majority, but keep a small stake in reality), and sit back and reap the rewards while some other daft bugger invests?

Let’s face it, they don’t support Sunderland, or didn’t until 3 month ago. Tony did, and he’s a board member now. Genius. This ensures our best interests are at heart, or, PR genius. Tony is a business man who has worked for levy, I’ll say no more.

Replaced pink seats. Unbelievable PR. (How good does the stadium look!!! I absolutely love it! Is replacing the seats too perfect???)

For me, easy victories or easy to obtain. Could be PR, or good business.

For me, they are business men and and we really need to be run as a business!

I’m optimistic, and very trustworthy! So I’m riding the wave. But these are genuine observations in my opinion and what this board should ‘discuss’.

This post is not an opinion, it’s a discussion point and I really hope it can be discussed reasonably. Let’s see.

(I’ve had 6 cans and my English is shite, deal with it)
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Boil ya Fookin Heed man......
 
On one of the early Roker Report podcasts Donald said something to the effect of if someone offered him £200m for the club he’d have to consider it (no shit!).

Clearly none of the owners want to lose money, but I think if they wanted to make money as a sole objective they wouldn’t be investing in a football team. The sporting challenge is clearly a big factor. The fact they have managed to get a club like Sunderland (and our significant assets) for a comparatively cheap amount could be a classic case of right time right place for them.

There is something very genuine about Donald that comes across every time he speaks imo. Methven is a smoother operator clearly, and a very good talker, and together I think they make a good pair.
 
Randy Savage said:
On one of the early Roker Report podcasts Donald said something to the effect of if someone offered him £200m for the club he’d have to consider it (no shit!).

Clearly none of the owners want to lose money, but I think if they wanted to make money as a sole objective they wouldn’t be investing in a football team. The sporting challenge is clearly a big factor. The fact they have managed to get a club like Sunderland (and our significant assets) for a comparatively cheap amount could be a classic case of right time right place for them.

There is something very genuine about Donald that comes across every time he speaks imo. Methven is a smoother operator clearly, and a very good talker, and together I think they make a good pair.
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I agree to an extent, but they haven't actually invested much, apart from the initial fee to Short, which they could now easily get back. Not a criticism, but they have taken very little risk so far. So its win win for them
 
The Rat said:
I agree to an extent, but they haven't actually invested much, apart from the initial fee to Short, which they could now easily get back. Not a criticism, but they have taken very little risk so far. So its win win for them
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I think Donald has recently paid £5m to Short and I think he’s made one or two legacy payments. Whether that is out of his own pocket I’m not sure.
 
rubberface said:
Way I see it and I'm loving it!! They've been tremendous imo.
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Same here. I’m so engaged at the minute and I’ve really missed it. Feels like when I was waiting for the echo to drop to see if Quinn’s consortium was going to get the deal over the line #magiccarpet!

PtangYang kiperbang said:
No. I think they’ve decided to put fuck loads of money into the club, that they have worked all their lives to make, so that we enjoy our Saturdays more. Definitely don’t want to make any money.
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Why’s your profile just changed? This was Grimpy old man a minute ago?
 
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I have no idea what you’re on about mate. I’ve had more than 6 cans btw
 
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