Donald and Methvan - Intentions???

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Wardley Makem said:
It’s a discussion forum, so why not discuss.

Donald and Methvan have done an excellent job so far of creating a sense of optimism when us fans didn’t think it could possibly exist. Why?

Is it that they want the club, the fans, the community, to connect and build something substantial, sustainable and reflect our unbelievable heritage? Or - do they want money? Consider their backgrounds.

They walk into failing businesses, fix them, make money. Sell them / incorporate them.

Methvan is a well educated man specialising in PR. We are all buzzing, and why not, we are 4th and in a brilliant position.

Mind, we’ve played pretty poor so far and I’d say had a fair bit of luck.

Is 30,000 plus credited to our tremendous support, aye! Definitely!!!! But, have they played on this to a degree? Exploiting us?

Donald doesn’t have the money to take us from the prem to the top 6, his words.

At this point he’d sell, to Juan. Brilliant plan, or, make a bucket load, then sell (likely. The majority, but keep a small stake in reality), and sit back and reap the rewards while some other daft bugger invests?

Let’s face it, they don’t support Sunderland, or didn’t until 3 month ago. Tony did, and he’s a board member now. Genius. This ensures our best interests are at heart, or, PR genius. Tony is a business man who has worked for levy, I’ll say no more.

Replaced pink seats. Unbelievable PR. (How good does the stadium look!!! I absolutely love it! Is replacing the seats too perfect???)

For me, easy victories or easy to obtain. Could be PR, or good business.

For me, they are business men and and we really need to be run as a business!

I’m optimistic, and very trustworthy! So I’m riding the wave. But these are genuine observations in my opinion and what this board should ‘discuss’.

This post is not an opinion, it’s a discussion point and I really hope it can be discussed reasonably. Let’s see.

(I’ve had 6 cans and my English is shite, deal with it)
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I am not even being critical of them here before people have ago, good luck to them, but they have got the club for very very cheap, their aim seems to be to get promoted without spending anymore of their own money, then sell the club

And if it works, would be great for the fans no doubt.

That is how I see it.
 


They are basically an English version of Drumaville, buy a club when its on its arse get it back on its feet and sell for a profit after a few years.

I will be in the minority here but I think the seats could have waited till next summer if we got promoted, we coould have used the extra 200k or so on another player or two imo.
 
jimb said:
They are basically an English version of Drumaville, buy a club when its on its arse get it back on its feet and sell for a profit after a few years.

I will be in the minority here but I think the seats could have waited till next summer if we got promoted, we coould have used the extra 200k or so on another player or two imo.
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They could have put more money in my opinion

I like them, they are canny blokes, and the PR is class, but they should have invested more, we had the chance to by have the best squad in the league by an absolute mile with a little bit of investment, and I think they are gambling a lot on doing it on the cheap

we might still get promoted like to be fair, just don't think they realise if we spend too long in this league enthusiasm will soon drop

this is the absolute easiest season for us to get promoted
 
Wardley Makem said:
It’s a discussion forum, so why not discuss.

Donald and Methvan have done an excellent job so far of creating a sense of optimism when us fans didn’t think it could possibly exist. Why?

Is it that they want the club, the fans, the community, to connect and build something substantial, sustainable and reflect our unbelievable heritage? Or - do they want money? Consider their backgrounds.

They walk into failing businesses, fix them, make money. Sell them / incorporate them.

Methvan is a well educated man specialising in PR. We are all buzzing, and why not, we are 4th and in a brilliant position.

Mind, we’ve played pretty poor so far and I’d say had a fair bit of luck.

Is 30,000 plus credited to our tremendous support, aye! Definitely!!!! But, have they played on this to a degree? Exploiting us?

Donald doesn’t have the money to take us from the prem to the top 6, his words.

At this point he’d sell, to Juan. Brilliant plan, or, make a bucket load, then sell (likely. The majority, but keep a small stake in reality), and sit back and reap the rewards while some other daft bugger invests?

Let’s face it, they don’t support Sunderland, or didn’t until 3 month ago. Tony did, and he’s a board member now. Genius. This ensures our best interests are at heart, or, PR genius. Tony is a business man who has worked for levy, I’ll say no more.

Replaced pink seats. Unbelievable PR. (How good does the stadium look!!! I absolutely love it! Is replacing the seats too perfect???)

For me, easy victories or easy to obtain. Could be PR, or good business.

For me, they are business men and and we really need to be run as a business!

I’m optimistic, and very trustworthy! So I’m riding the wave. But these are genuine observations in my opinion and what this board should ‘discuss’.

This post is not an opinion, it’s a discussion point and I really hope it can be discussed reasonably. Let’s see.

(I’ve had 6 cans and my English is shite, deal with it)
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They're businessmen, they're genuine football fans. As a result I'm fairly sure they're genuinely excited about owning a club as big as Sunderland and seeing how far they can take us by running us in a sustainable manner. Donald and Methven don't have the money to lavishly fund our way back but they'll put things in place, take us as far as they can and genuinely enjoy every second of it as people who love spending their Saturday at the football.

At that point the business side of things will take over; having got us as far as they can with the money they're prepared to invest, they will look to sell the club to someone with more funds, preferably someone they trust, hence Sartori. If they've ran us well, we're financially strong and we're, for arguments sake, back in the prem, they'll both make very good money from it.

That's ideal for us, they'll be sensible with the club because they can't afford to fund huge losses. They'll try and push us as far as they can because they love the sport and because that's the way it'll make them money when they sell. So whether their intentions are purely profit, purely football, or as the case will be a bit of both, doesn't really make a massive difference to us. Either way they need to succeed in order to see profit and enjoy it.
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
They're businessmen, they're genuine football fans. As a result I'm fairly sure they're genuinely excited about owning a club as big as Sunderland and seeing how far they can take us by running us in a sustainable manner. Donald and Methven don't have the money to lavishly fund our way back but they'll put things in place, take us as far as they can and genuinely enjoy every second of it as people who love spending their Saturday at the football.

At that point the business side of things will take over; having got us as far as they can with the money they're prepared to invest, they will look to sell the club to someone with more funds, preferably someone they trust, hence Sartori. If they've ran us well, we're financially strong and we're, for arguments sake, back in the prem, they'll both make very good money from it.

That's ideal for us, they'll be sensible with the club because they can't afford to fund huge losses. They'll try and push us as far as they can because they love the sport and because that's the way it'll make them money when they sell. So whether their intentions are purely profit, purely football, or as the case will be a bit of both, doesn't really make a massive difference to us. Either way they need to success in order to see profit and enjoy it.
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That is all well and good, but we need to go up this year, it all falls apart if we don't

We will end up running and looking and playing like a league one club
 
roker beach said:
They are business people and football people. They saw an opportunity and have embraced it 100%.

They are enjoying the experience because they love their football and I think they are genuinely excited by the reaction to what they are doing, as well as by the possibilities.

I hope they succeed. If they do, we will all be happier for it and grateful for their input.
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Spot on
 
SAFC 2012 said:
I read 3 lines and decided i couldnt be arsed

Did i miss anything?
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Nah

The Rat said:
They could have put more money in my opinion

I like them, they are canny blokes, and the PR is class, but they should have invested more, we had the chance to by have the best squad in the league by an absolute mile with a little bit of investment, and I think they are gambling a lot on doing it on the cheap

we might still get promoted like to be fair, just don't think they realise if we spend too long in this league enthusiasm will soon drop

this is the absolute easiest season for us to get promoted
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FFP
 
I get what everyone's saying. However given they're both extremely successful at what they already do- making millions. Constantly expanding there current businesses- if it was just about money why wouldn't they just continue down that route.

Hell of a lot of effort for them on a venture that 'may' make them some money at some point if they get absolutely everything right. Which Ellis Short showed is far harder than people think.

So for me I think it is about more than just the money. Think they're proper football fans and couldn't pass up the opportunity when it presented itself.

Will they want to lose money- no. Will they want to see some return on the work being put in- obviously. Think it's one of those scenarios that isn't an either or. They can ne here cause they love football and want to make the club profitable
 
The Rat said:
That is all well and good, but we need to go up this year, it all falls apart if we don't

We will end up running and looking and playing like a league one club
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It's important to go up this year but it's not absolutely the end of the world if we don't. Firstly, they've got us a decent side together and as long as we're in the hunt come January there's every chance they'll improve us then when they know exactly what we need (especially now we've at least got Djilibodji off the wage bill, giving us a bit more freedom).

If it goes wrong and we stay down it is a big blow, and a failure for a first season, no getting away from it. In theory though we'd have the nucleus of a good side, we'd hopefully be able to add Ndong to the departure of Djilibodji, we'd likely move Oviedo on, so wage wise we'd be in a much better position than we were this season, plus the legacy payments would be gone, or as near as can be. We'd still have the last £15m parachute payment meaning yet again we'd be in the best financial position in the division. It would make the Championship harder if we entered with no parachute money like, I'm not suggesting all would be rosy, but it wouldn't cripple us. Staying down for more than two seasons would be a different matter but if we don't do it this year I'm supremely confident we'd do it next year with a more settled squad and a few good additions
 
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The Rat said:
They could have put more money in my opinion

I like them, they are canny blokes, and the PR is class, but they should have invested more, we had the chance to by have the best squad in the league by an absolute mile with a little bit of investment, and I think they are gambling a lot on doing it on the cheap

we might still get promoted like to be fair, just don't think they realise if we spend too long in this league enthusiasm will soon drop

this is the absolute easiest season for us to get promoted
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I'm sure they are very aware of that.
 
We couldn’t have better owners at the moment in my opinion.

In an ideal world we would have a local billionaire who loves the club and is willing to bankroll it. As anyone who lives in Sunderland knows, this person does not exist.

The other option is a non-local billionaire doing the above. Well, tough shit, they haven’t bought us.

What we have now is a reasonably sensible businessman who fortunately happens to be a football fan in charge of us. At our level I don’t think we could ask for much more. A passion for football, a willingness to drive us forward, and with a high percentage of his own investment to lose if things went tits up.

If anyone thinks they think that there are better potential owners of our club I would love to hear it. Like it or not we are not exotic, but we have genuine football people in charge now, thank god.
 
mart said:
I think their intentions are to make money from the club when they do eventually sell up. The only way that’ll happen as if they leave us in a better state than when they found us. So while they are here they’ll be doing everything they can to get this club moving in right direction. I also think the three of them are genuinely very passionate about the club and do want to leave a legacy here.
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This. The only way they make money is by leaving us a much more attractive proposition than they found us in.

So who gives a shit if they’re out to make money?
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
It's important to go up this year but it's not absolutely the end of the world if we don't. Firstly, they've got us a decent side together and as long as we're in the hunt come January there's every chance they'll improve us then when they know exactly what we need (especially now we've at least got Djilibodji off the wage bill, giving us a bit more freedom).

If it goes wrong and we stay down it is a big blow, and a failure for a first season, no getting away from it. In theory though we'd have the nucleus of a good side, we'd hopefully be able to add Ndong to the departure of Djilibodji, we'd likely move Oviedo on, so wage wise we'd be in a much better position than we were this season, plus the legacy payments would be gone, or as near as can be. We'd still have the last £15m parachute payment meaning yet again we'd be in the best financial position in the division. It would make the Championship harder if we entered with no parachute money like, I'm not suggesting all would be rosy, but it wouldn't cripple us. Staying down for more than two seasons would be a different matter but if we don't do it this year I'm supremely confident we'd do it next year with a more settled squad and a few good additions
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I get your points, and they are well mate. But I think we'd just risk becoming a run of the mill side, up in the champ maybe after a few more years and then where do we go? We'd need serious investment, which ain't going to come.

I do want to be self sustainable like don't get me wrong, I always defended Short when people said we needed to spend even more money, but I think this whole project needed more investment to get going, or to at least minimise the risk.

However you are right come January we might go again and could do it this year
 
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