Collapse of the Pyramid System

[redandwhiterob]

Good luck to them i'm not really bothered, just wanted to see what this meant for Burnmoor. And im not a 'jumped up junior' actually i'm in the last year of under 18-s play regularly for the 2nds and have played a few games for the 1st team.

I don't mean its slow i mean its up and down, not very even or good in my opinion. Which is only my opinion, chill out.



No i'm pretty sure there's not many of them getting paid. I've been there for 8 years and i've never heard of any of the players getting paid other than the overseas pro or star player. The club doesn't have enough money for it, the reason they've been good is all the older lads are class. They're getting on a bit now though and it's nearly time to replace them.

Your better players will be getting paid even if its dressed up as some sort of expenses thing, I know some pretty average players have been getting paid down Horden so do you think your better players would be playing for nowt when money is available in other places?

 

[Deleted member 35923]

You honestly think we would go into the coast league or lower? more likely we will stay in the DSL and win it on a regular basis. I can't see the clubs junior set up surviving for long if we went into rubbish leagues like that, not when philly are round the corner applying to be in a better league.

I think you need to learn a bit of history about the Coast league and junior set ups mate.

Some cracking cricketers have started and developed in the Durham Coast league over the years.

 

[eddyfinn]

if all the applicants get into the NEPL2 it will leave you with 6 teams do you fancy playing teams 4 times a season just in the league This will turn your league into a mockery and undoubtably the remaining teams will be looking to go elsewhere.

So if you decide to leave the DSL where in the blue hell do you think you will go?:roll:

You honestly think we would go into the coast league or lower? more likely we will stay in the DSL and win it on a regular basis. I can't see the clubs junior set up surviving for long if we went into rubbish leagues like that, not when philly are round the corner applying to be in a better league.

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[Belly]

I think you need to learn a bit of history about the Coast league and junior set ups mate.

Some cracking cricketers have started and developed in the Durham Coast league over the years.

Currently the durham coast league isn't that great. Not really mocking it just saying the DSL is known as the better league currently.

if all the applicants get into the NEPL2 it will leave you with 6 teams do you fancy playing teams 4 times a season just in the league This will turn your league into a mockery and undoubtably the remaining teams will be looking to go elsewhere.

So if you decide to leave the DSL where in the blue hell do you think you will go?:roll:

Still don't understand why all these teams have decided to leave the DSL, a league with an excellent reputation that many of these teams have played in for years.

 

[Aleem Dar]

Still don't understand why all these teams have decided to leave the DSL, a league with an excellent reputation that many of these teams have played in for years.

Because, rightly or wrongly, there's been an opportunity open up for them to try and better themselves. Bournmoor don't seem to share this ambition whereas other teams do. Simple really.

 

[Belly]

Because, rightly or wrongly, there's been an opportunity open up for them to try and better themselves. Bournmoor don't seem to share this ambition whereas other teams do. Simple really.

Why do you keep mentioning burnmoor!! you don't the situation at our club, my guess is it's to do with finances. Thought the current system worked pretty well, bet most of these teams regret their decision in a few years when they have to give up the whole of saturday every week as well as commit to 2 training sessions during the week.

 

[eddyfinn]

Why do you keep mentioning burnmoor!! you don't the situation at our club, my guess is it's to do with finances. Thought the current system worked pretty well, bet most of these teams regret their decision in a few years when they have to give up the whole of saturday every week as well as commit to 2 training sessions during the week.

The only people regretting anything is those from the dsl that suggested then voted to come out of the pyramid system as it looks like its backfired

 

[MacRowners]

Wouldn't mind Bournmoor in our league actually. Nice little ground.

But a very unusual shape and can therefore be considered a crap ground for that reason Long and thin with a cemetery to one side

Because, rightly or wrongly, there's been an opportunity open up for them to try and better themselves. Bournmoor don't seem to share this ambition whereas other teams do. Simple really.

It's probably not a case of them wanting to join the NEPL2 but, and this is purely a guess from me, that they do not wish to be abandoned in a league that has had the majority of its team leave and therefore a lot of bandwagon jumping on has been made.

 

[mrreal]

Why do you keep mentioning burnmoor!! you don't the situation at our club, my guess is it's to do with finances. Thought the current system worked pretty well, bet most of these teams regret their decision in a few years when they have to give up the whole of saturday every week as well as commit to 2 training sessions during the week.

1. It costs nothing to join NEPL 2 unless you want to pay players.

2. The current system doesn't work. If it did Burnmoor and Kimmblesworth would be in the NEPL. Durham City would have been relegated. (you win the league, you go up. Finish bottom you go down)

Your opinions are very naive and quite narrow minded in all honesty.

 

[Belly]

1. It costs nothing to join NEPL 2 unless you want to pay players.

2. The current system doesn't work. If it did Burnmoor and Kimmblesworth would be in the NEPL. Durham City would have been relegated. (you win the league, you go up. Finish bottom you go down)

Your opinions are very naive and quite narrow minded in all honesty.

Are they fuck. Just because i'm disagreeing with you, and how does it not cost money to join? We didn't go up the other year when we won the league because we would have had to have an electronic scoreboard, 2 training sessions a week, turn up at 11 30 for games, local press interviews, more sponsors. All meaning it would have cost a lot to go into the NEPL. So have they scrapped all of this?

 

[NorthCountryBoy]

From reading this the logical progression is that DSL disbands with the clubs joining the Coast or County league depending on where they sit geographically (both will have vacancies).

If that happens the shake up may not be too bad I'm guessing? NEDL might even be relatively untouched.

Also, having played at Burnmoor the ground would easily be NEPL 2 standard. Lovely place to play.

 

[Belly]

From reading this the logical progression is that DSL disbands with the clubs joining the Coast or County league depending on where they sit geographically (both will have vacancies).

If that happens the shake up may not be too bad I'm guessing? NEDL might even be relatively untouched.

Also, having played at Burnmoor the ground would easily be NEPL 2 standard. Lovely place to play.

I agree and if it is true that it costs nothing to join the nepl 2 i don't know why we haven't.

 

[YES WE GYAN]

Why do you keep mentioning burnmoor!! you don't the situation at our club, my guess is it's to do with finances. Thought the current system worked pretty well, bet most of these teams regret their decision in a few years when they have to give up the whole of saturday every week as well as commit to 2 training sessions during the week.

The DSL decided to break up the current system, and have made themselves look like a joke by doing so. It's no surprise that clubs want to leave.

Why would you have to train twice a week? You make it sound like a NEPL rule

 

[mrreal]

Are they fuck. Just because i'm disagreeing with you, and how does it not cost money to join? We didn't go up the other year when we won the league because we would have had to have an electronic scoreboard, 2 training sessions a week, turn up at 11 30 for games, local press interviews, more sponsors. All meaning it would have cost a lot to go into the NEPL. So have they scrapped all of this?

Yes! I said NEPL 2 costs nothing.

NEPL 2 will be 1pm starts not 11:30. They are also giving teams 2-3 seasons to bed in before any promotion or relegation becomes mandatory. Did you know any of this?

This is good for North East cricket. The pyramid system failed and something has to be done. Why your club hasn't expressed interest? Who knows.

I'm not looking for an argument. Just seems your not fully aware at how the NEPL 2 will work. It's a far different prospect to NEPL 1.

 

[harmy]

from the list of teams from the senior league who have applied what teams would be left?

i would be interested to see who i would like to come into the coast league.

i think the coast league will only loose 2 or 3 teams max.

we as the coast league should invite applications for the other 3 spots if all 3 teams leave.

dont think washy, seaham harbour would be missed really. 2 newish clubs to the league.

1 team hasn't applied but before Murton dropped out the remaining 14 were;

Boldon CC
Whitburn
Philadelphia
Norton
Eppleton
South Hetton
Felling
Horden
Seaham Harbour
Washington
Brandon
Crook
Willington
Sacriston

Criteria is along the lines of, standard of 1st team, junior set up, facilities (all grounds will be inspected) and other formalities like ECB Club Mark etc.

BURNMOOR
KIMBLESWORTH
CASTLE EDEN
DURHAM CITY

THese are the 4 remaining teams. i reckon castle eden and burnmoor will come into the coast league and durham city and kimblesworth into the county league.

 

[Arthur Reid]

Still don't understand why all these teams have decided to leave the DSL, a league with an excellent reputation that many of these teams have played in for years.

Belly, lad I've enjoyed reading your posts on here. Have you been away on a desert island or summat?

The behaviour of the DSL clubs has left a bit to be desired throughout the last year and a bit, and while your a junior at the club, I'm surprised that your committee hasn't kept you up to date with what has been going on.

Some interesting times lie ahead - apparantly largely caused by the DSLs desire to drop out of the pyramid system.

It looks like about 7-8 of your fellow DSL members have now 'changed horses' here. This will leave the DSL with 4 or 5 members won't it?

Now it looks like NEPL2 is a goer it seems likely that the rump of the DSL will have to decide whether to allow a number of new members in 2013, to bring them up to a full quota, in which case you may have to get used to playing on a few 'wavy' or up and down pitches, although you may well go on to win the League for several years as you say. The alternative, and if the other Leagues, the Coast and the County, stick together might be to disband and join with them.

I've got nowt against BCC by the way, I've enjoyed playing there a number of times. (I even once played in a Penshaw v Shiney test match about 40 years ago - Penshaw won - of course). They do a canny bit of bait on a Thursday lunch anarl.

 

[stanstheman]

The NEPL have not yet decided how many clubs will make up NEPL2. There appears to be an assumption that it will be 12 but ,unless I have missed something, the intention is to form a 2nd div of between 8 and 12.
It seems logical and symmetrical to go for 12 ,to mirror Div 1 ,but not unless all the applicants meet the criteria for membership.

The major hurdle still appears to be the format of the game that is raising concerns. The NEPL are reluctant to drop the current format as they believe it has improved the quality of cricket in the North East ,in particular the success of CH le St and South North,and has made them into one of the stronger PL's in the country.

For ambitious clubs the NEPL2 will provide greater opportunities and committees of applicant clubs , who consider the cost as a major factor, probably do not have the ambition to improve either or do not know how to develop their clubs.

The DSL's apparent parochial attitude could have set the cause of cricket in the North East back and are becoming isolated by a selfserving approach.

 

[Carteron]

I think Burnmoor have gone along the lines a few others have in that they have let 5 or 6 lads from the First Team make the choice, all interested in very much their own agenda.

Look at most of the clubs in there and there will undoubtedly be key players from many of them that personally will not wish to play in NEPL2. However, their clubs have managed to remain ambitious, and rightly so the decision to apply has been made for the good of the club, not 5 or 6 ageing players who will only be around for a couple of years.

The same can be said of Swalwell (see the comments on the Bill Quay forum). They have 4 or 5 lads who work Saturday's which is apparently their reason for bullying the NTSL every year. Surely the bigger picture would be to use the copious thousands to bring a couple of lads in to replace them and play in the NEPL2 and if these other lads love the club so much they could play in the 2nds!

Anyway, any news on the inspections? All seems a bit quiet!

 

[LoB]

The NEPL have not yet decided how many clubs will make up NEPL2. There appears to be an assumption that it will be 12 but ,unless I have missed something, the intention is to form a 2nd div of between 8 and 12.
It seems logical and symmetrical to go for 12 ,to mirror Div 1 ,but not unless all the applicants meet the criteria for membership.

The major hurdle still appears to be the format of the game that is raising concerns. The NEPL are reluctant to drop the current format as they believe it has improved the quality of cricket in the North East ,in particular the success of CH le St and South North,and has made them into one of the stronger PL's in the country.

NEPL will take a max of 12 if all 12 clubs are up to the required standard. They wont reject any of the applicants who are up to standard.

NEPL 2 will be afternoon cricket so no major hurdle in that respect same playing format as NEPL 1 second teams play.

 

[Eggman]

BURNMOOR
KIMBLESWORTH
CASTLE EDEN
DURHAM CITY

THese are the 4 remaining teams. i reckon castle eden and burnmoor will come into the coast league and durham city and kimblesworth into the county league.

Don't forget that Marsden have been readmitted this year following their one season in the County League. Does that mean 13 in the DSL this year or did they recruit another club ?

Back to the NEPL2 and it probably wouldn't happen but, I'd like to see all 13 applicants admitted as long as they met the full criteria.

I know it would be a bit of a nightmare to set out the fixtures etc, but it would be a shame if someone was to miss out after being brave enough and ambitious enough to go this far, only because they were deemed to be slightly worse off than another club.

The merits of all clubs are bound to be a moot point and open to interpretation.

It would also give NEPL2 the option to go up to 14 by recruiting only one more side or go back down to 12 if there was a problem further down the line.