CC :: Durham v Nottinghamshire

[GordonMuchallNo1Fan]

32 extras in our second innings
Home, fed and watered I've had an hour or so to digest the shambles I witnessed today.

Merely my opinion but something just isn't right here. A few things from around the ground the last few days which I believe are valid points/concerns.

1 - Borthwick captaincy........... I'm a little lost with it. If he wasn't captain would he be in the team?
2 - Franklin - When is it acceptable to question him? Before any mentions the final last season, that was Alan Walker and Will Gidman's work. Franklin went to the 100 which didn't sit well with me but hey ho. I get the impression he's very well liked.
3 - Bowling - Only Potts looks decent, what is going on??
4 - The Ground - Absolute tip
5 - Is Ollie Gibson a better selection than Salisbury?
6 - Who drops out when Lees returns?
7 - The way we gave up today is a major concern, it was pathetic today 117 in 33.5 overs with 32 extras, appalling.
8 - Is the coaching the issue?

Just very frustrated but we go again next week. Will be interesting to see how the bowlers go on an away pitch.

That should say "isn't very well liked". He's awfully quiet at the moment

 

[smoker]

1) Borthwick - yes, but only because Petersen is in even worse nick and SB offers a bowling option.
2) Franklin - I am not clear how much of the tactics are down to him and how much are Borthwick. Also how much of the failure to strengthen the team was down to North? They are actually lucky Dickson has been in good form, because if he was as bad as previous seasons, the loss of Lees would have been an even bigger problem
3) Bowling - one dimensional as fuck as previously mentioned. Should have strengthened seam attack when it was clear Wood and Carse were injured. Are there any quicks or left armers available? Failing that, what is Van Meekeren up to? In hindsight maybe should have used our overseas slot to bring in an international fast bowler.
4) Ground - looks pretty bad. They've had all summer to do this.
5) Playing Gibson over Salisbury was a terrible selection and risked destroying the kid's confidence. Especially considering the form Rushworth and Raine have been in.
6) When Lees returns - I would drop Petersen, he offers nowt, but isn't going to happen so it will probably be Jones or Trevaskis
8) failure to strengthen the team, mediocre captain, odd team selections

 

[The Rat]

1) Borthwick - yes, but only because Petersen is in even worse nick and SB offers a bowling option.
2) Franklin - I am not clear how much of the tactics are down to him and how much are Borthwick. Also how much of the failure to strengthen the team was down to North? They are actually lucky Dickson has been in good form, because if he was as bad as previous seasons, the loss of Lees would have been an even bigger problem
3) Bowling - one dimensional as fuck as previously mentioned. Should have strengthened seam attack when it was clear Wood and Carse were injured. Are there any quicks or left armers available? Failing that, what is Van Meekeren up to? In hindsight maybe should have used our overseas slot to bring in an international fast bowler.
4) Ground - looks pretty bad. They've had all summer to do this.
5) Playing Gibson over Salisbury was a terrible selection and risked destroying the kid's confidence. Especially considering the form Rushworth and Raine have been in.
6) When Lees returns - I would drop Petersen, he offers nowt, but isn't going to happen so it will probably be Jones or Trevaskis
8) failure to strengthen the team, mediocre captain, odd team selections

I watched quite a lot of this game, not as much as some on here, but I struggle to blame anything Borthwick did tactically here like for the loss

Some of our bowlers looked anonymous, he tried not to overbowl Potts, and maybe could have bowled himself more than Drissell, but the reality is we batted awfully, we were bowled out on day 1 by a spinner and then just collapsed 4th innings after 2 days in the dirt.

Rushy bowled tidly but never really looked like taking a wicket, Raine looked decent when he bowled fuller and Potts was brilliant.

We missed Coughlin and Carse, but I agree another signing would be nice.

Was in the sticky wicket till 9 and all the players were in after too.
I was annoyed today and I dont get usually get annoyed at the cricket

Its quite hard to judge sometimes in the stands rather than watching the stream, there werent loads of wild shots, just a shit load of LBWs.

Difficult to know what actually happened, Notts had their tails up

I thought Pattinson looked way above this level mind

That should say "isn't very well liked". He's awfully quiet at the moment

aye whats going on, cant just be based on that IPL nonsense?

 

[wayne entwhistle no9]

1) Borthwick - yes, but only because Petersen is in even worse nick and SB offers a bowling option.
2) Franklin - I am not clear how much of the tactics are down to him and how much are Borthwick. Also how much of the failure to strengthen the team was down to North? They are actually lucky Dickson has been in good form, because if he was as bad as previous seasons, the loss of Lees would have been an even bigger problem
3) Bowling - one dimensional as fuck as previously mentioned. Should have strengthened seam attack when it was clear Wood and Carse were injured. Are there any quicks or left armers available? Failing that, what is Van Meekeren up to? In hindsight maybe should have used our overseas slot to bring in an international fast bowler.
4) Ground - looks pretty bad. They've had all summer to do this.
5) Playing Gibson over Salisbury was a terrible selection and risked destroying the kid's confidence. Especially considering the form Rushworth and Raine have been in.
6) When Lees returns - I would drop Petersen, he offers nowt, but isn't going to happen so it will probably be Jones or Trevaskis
8) failure to strengthen the team, mediocre captain, odd team selections

Spot on with 3. In hindsight we should have signed an overseas bowler. I thought we where fine with what we had before a ball was bowled especially early season but without Carse which they knew about we are clearly lacking a bowler to make things happen on dry slow pitches.

 

[The Red Telephone]

Few random thoughts:
There's definitely something amiss. Anyone attending these past three days can't have helped but notice the body language of certain players when Franklin is in the vicinity - its as if they can't get away from him quick enough.

Yes we've got injuries to key players but the way the side ran up the white flag yesterday afternoon was completely unacceptable. We looked petrified by Pattinson and hypnotised by Patterson White.

As @GordonMuchallNo1Fan stated the ground is an utter embarrassment at the moment - stands without seats, Members Lounge closed for private functions when a game is on, no club shop, no stock in the online shop etc. For the second game running I've had visiting fans asking if the ground is closing!

April should be the month of great hope and yet the seven days of Championship cricket I've seen this season at the Riverside has the feeling of fixtures in mid September at the fag end of the season.

Specifically on the Notts game - the first session on Thursday was some of the best CC cricket I've seen for a long long time but Dickson's dismissal signalled a demise so startling in the home side that it seemed as if we were transported back to the mid 90s. The decision to pick Gibson ahead of Salisbury simply beggered belief.

Borthwick's poor form last season has continued into 2022 and Petersen looks a poorer signing than even Mackenzie or Markram.

Anyway let's see how they do at Sussex. If we don't win there then we really do have no hope.

Failing that, what is Van Meekeren up to? In hindsight maybe should have used our overseas slot to bring in an international fast bowler.

Gloucs signed him.

 

[Bri]

I thought Pattinson looked way above this level mind

He seemed to have pace that none of our bowlers bar Potts had and other Notts bowlers looked faster too. Maybe that was the problem with the pitch, it only did something when the ball was hitting the deck hard? Dunno.

 

[smoker]

Gloucs signed him

Ffs. Is he currently playing for them? He doesn't seem to be on any of their first or second xi scorecards. Another kick in the nuts when you consider he was keen to join Durham.

He seemed to have pace that none of our bowlers bar Potts had and other Notts bowlers looked faster too. Maybe that was the problem with the pitch, it only did something when the ball was hitting the deck hard? Dunno.

I think you're right about the wicket. Potts seemed to do a few batsmen for pace when he banged it in and it came quicker off the deck.

 

[Twisted]

Ffs. Is he currently playing for them? He doesn't seem to be on any of their first or second xi scorecards. Another kick in the nuts when you consider he was keen to join Durham.

I think you're right about the wicket. Potts seemed to do a few batsmen for pace when he banged it in and it came quicker off the deck.

it's an odd one like. we'll never know but he was a huge miss to our attack in the cup when he left us last year, not sure if we tried to sign him but if not then it looks a mistake.

(although no doubt people would be criticising the club for bringing in players instead of using local lads, when the argument suited them)

In hindsight we should have signed an overseas bowler. I thought we where fine with what we had before a ball was bowled especially early season but without Carse which they knew about we are clearly lacking a bowler to make things happen on dry slow pitches.

it's easy with hindsight though isn't it?

nobody would expect dickson and jones to come out full of runs already, and most people would expect KP to be in the runs (he may still have an excellent season)

unfortunate for KP that the only time he was batting easily was in a match with no pressure where most wanted us to declare. if dickson and petersen were batting more in line with their careers thus far i think everyone would be very happy with the signing

 

[wayne entwhistle no9]

it's an odd one like. we'll never know but he was a huge miss to our attack in the cup when he left us last year, not sure if we tried to sign him but if not then it looks a mistake.

(although no doubt people would be criticising the club for bringing in players instead of using local lads, when the argument suited them)


it's easy with hindsight though isn't it?

nobody would expect dickson and jones to come out full of runs already, and most people would expect KP to be in the runs (he may still have an excellent season)

unfortunate for KP that the only time he was batting easily was in a match with no pressure where most wanted us to declare. if dickson and petersen were batting more in line with their careers thus far i think everyone would be very happy with the signing

Hindsight is a great thing as I said on this thread before a ball was bowled.

 

[smoker]

it's an odd one like. we'll never know but he was a huge miss to our attack in the cup when he left us last year, not sure if we tried to sign him but if not then it looks a mistake.

(although no doubt people would be criticising the club for bringing in players instead of using local lads, when the argument suited them)

He had a prior contract with the Carribbean Premier League he couldn't get out of, but iirc made noises about signing for Durham after that, as he was a free agent. It could have been hard justifying signing him given all the other bowlers on our books but we do seemingly have a lot who are either on central contracts, have recurring injury problems and/or will be off to the Hundred in July. You could call it hindsight or a failure to mitigate against that risk. Picking Ollie Gibson and destroying his confidence certainly isn't the answer right now. Hewas playing for Shotley Bridge last season. We could struggle to put out a competitive team in the RLC if we don't sign a few loan players like PVM.

 

[Twisted]

He had a prior contract with the Carribbean Premier League he couldn't get out of, but iirc made noises about signing for Durham after that, as he was a free agent. It could have been hard justifying signing him given all the other bowlers on our books but we do seemingly have a lot who are either on central contracts, have recurring injury problems and/or will be off to the Hundred in July. You could call it hindsight or a failure to mitigate against that risk. Picking Ollie Gibson and destroying his confidence certainly isn't the answer right now. Hewas playing for Shotley Bridge last season. We could struggle to put out a competitive team in the RLC if we don't sign a few loan players like PVM.

aye, i didn't really know owt about him till suddenly he was in the side and doing very well for us. i don't recall us signing him but he made a great impression. whilst we got to the final without him you'd think our performance in the final without him would've cemented signing him would have been ideal. perhaps we felt he wouldnt have gone in the side for the CC and if he got an offer to play every format for glouc then it's right for him to have took it. that's just speculation mind. i've also no idea how much finances are a factor in these sort of decisions.

 

[Cloughy]

Few random thoughts:
There's definitely something amiss. Anyone attending these past three days can't have helped but notice the body language of certain players when Franklin is in the vicinity - its as if they can't get away from him quick enough.

Yes we've got injuries to key players but the way the side ran up the white flag yesterday afternoon was completely unacceptable. We looked petrified by Pattinson and hypnotised by Patterson White.

As @GordonMuchallNo1Fan stated the ground is an utter embarrassment at the moment - stands without seats, Members Lounge closed for private functions when a game is on, no club shop, no stock in the online shop etc. For the second game running I've had visiting fans asking if the ground is closing!

April should be the month of great hope and yet the seven days of Championship cricket I've seen this season at the Riverside has the feeling of fixtures in mid September at the fag end of the season.

Specifically on the Notts game - the first session on Thursday was some of the best CC cricket I've seen for a long long time but Dickson's dismissal signalled a demise so startling in the home side that it seemed as if we were transported back to the mid 90s. The decision to pick Gibson ahead of Salisbury simply beggered belief.

Borthwick's poor form last season has continued into 2022 and Petersen looks a poorer signing than even Mackenzie or Markram.

Anyway let's see how they do at Sussex. If we don't win there then we really do have no hope.

Gloucs signed him.

It was not just the last 3 days. Even though we lost the RLC final there seemed to be a spark between the players through to the end of the season. Watching the 2 home games this season something appears wrong/ missing.

 

[Parkside]

It was not just the last 3 days. Even though we lost the RLC final there seemed to be a spark between the players through to the end of the season. Watching the 2 home games this season something appears wrong/ missing.

There's a complete lack of leadership throughout the club. The fact that the "lead high performance" coach didn't feel obliged to front up to the media after a spineless performance completely lacking in leadership and high perfomance tells you everything about Franklin. No wonder the players have utter contempt for him.
Nor is having a workplace resembling a building site, a chairman who never attends games and an anonymous board of directors conjucive to high performance. Far cry from the days of predominantly academy products led by the insprational likes of Hussey,Benks or Colly.
Our only hope is Stokes' mere presence can inspire a more fighting spirit

 

[Twisted]

i can't help but feel some people are jumping too quickly to condemn the side. if you'd swapped the weather from glamorgan & notts games we'd be 2nd in the table. we got hammered and looked terrible against notts but scoreboard pressure tends to do that, teams often get skittled when they've got a mammoth task on their hands.

down glamorgan i commented at the time i couldn't recall the last time we sounded so loud and enthusiastic in the field - when you're on top everything looks good but when you're on the rack it's the opposite so i'm not surprised there were some pissed off fielders against notts.

i think it's a bit early to be too critical of everything. another thing in glamorgan, there was a great moment we brought in a couple of close fielders, short leg and silly point, forget who the bowler was then next ball bowled full and got the man lbw. so comments about our captaincy and attack being clueless i don't buy.

plenty seem ready to write the season off now, or the likes of rushworth and petersen might start clicking and we start climbing the table. who knows

 

[chopsfc007]

i can't help but feel some people are jumping too quickly to condemn the side. if you'd swapped the weather from glamorgan & notts games we'd be 2nd in the table. we got hammered and looked terrible against notts but scoreboard pressure tends to do that, teams often get skittled when they've got a mammoth task on their hands.

down glamorgan i commented at the time i couldn't recall the last time we sounded so loud and enthusiastic in the field - when you're on top everything looks good but when you're on the rack it's the opposite so i'm not surprised there were some pissed off fielders against notts.

i think it's a bit early to be too critical of everything. another thing in glamorgan, there was a great moment we brought in a couple of close fielders, short leg and silly point, forget who the bowler was then next ball bowled full and got the man lbw. so comments about our captaincy and attack being clueless i don't buy.

plenty seem ready to write the season off now, or the likes of rushworth and petersen might start clicking and we start climbing the table. who knows

Disgrace the way people write Peterson after 2 games

 

[GordonMuchallNo1Fan]

It was not just the last 3 days. Even though we lost the RLC final there seemed to be a spark between the players through to the end of the season. Watching the 2 home games this season something appears wrong/ missing.

The spark the team had under Alan Walker in the One Day Cup last season was unbelievable, proper buzz and obviously performances were exciting & positive

 

[bumble2]

The spark the team had under Alan Walker in the One Day Cup last season was unbelievable, proper buzz and obviously performances were exciting & positive

Ruined when management interfered with team selection for the final. Bunch of Corporal Jones’s panicking!

 

[Parkside]

i can't help but feel some people are jumping too quickly to condemn the side. if you'd swapped the weather from glamorgan & notts games we'd be 2nd in the table. we got hammered and looked terrible against notts but scoreboard pressure tends to do that, teams often get skittled when they've got a mammoth task on their hands.

down glamorgan i commented at the time i couldn't recall the last time we sounded so loud and enthusiastic in the field - when you're on top everything looks good but when you're on the rack it's the opposite so i'm not surprised there were some pissed off fielders against notts.

i think it's a bit early to be too critical of everything. another thing in glamorgan, there was a great moment we brought in a couple of close fielders, short leg and silly point, forget who the bowler was then next ball bowled full and got the man lbw. so comments about our captaincy and attack being clueless i don't buy.

plenty seem ready to write the season off now, or the likes of rushworth and petersen might start clicking and we start climbing the table. who knows

I don't think anyone has condemned the side,the criticism has been aimed at management.
1 The attack has been 1 dimensional -RMF for some time with no apparent attempt to add variation.
2 Good teams don't wilt under scoreboard pressure.That's a lack of leadership. How many times during our championship winning years did we completely overturn seemingly hopeless causes?
3 Rushworth's form is concern- been below par all pre-season and 6 innings into it.
Criticism of Petersen is invalid. What could be criticised is throwing him straight into the side within a day of arriving.
Notts are a very good side but that doesn't invalidate any of the above points.

 

[Twisted]

I don't think anyone has condemned the side,the criticism has been aimed at management.
1 The attack has been 1 dimensional -RMF for some time with no apparent attempt to add variation.
2 Good teams don't wilt under scoreboard pressure.That's a lack of leadership. How many times during our championship winning years did we completely overturn seemingly hopeless causes?
3 Rushworth's form is concern- been below par all pre-season and 6 innings into it.
Criticism of Petersen is invalid. What could be criticised is throwing him straight into the side within a day of arriving.
Notts are a very good side but that doesn't invalidate any of the above points.

tbf i feel like all the points lead to the same thing - an over reliance on rushy which has been going on far too long and i totally agree with.

not sure i follow with regards to KP. we didn't really have an other option other than playing him (remember this is before dickson and jones had got in the runs - if we'd played jones, dickson & clark ahead of him against lecister there'd have been hell on) and in the second innings he looked very comfortable scoring 37* and in theory that should have given him confidence to get big runs on a dead pitch against notts but ho hum

 

[The Rat]

I don't think anyone has condemned the side,the criticism has been aimed at management.
1 The attack has been 1 dimensional -RMF for some time with no apparent attempt to add variation.
2 Good teams don't wilt under scoreboard pressure.That's a lack of leadership. How many times during our championship winning years did we completely overturn seemingly hopeless causes?
3 Rushworth's form is concern- been below par all pre-season and 6 innings into it.
Criticism of Petersen is invalid. What could be criticised is throwing him straight into the side within a day of arriving.
Notts are a very good side but that doesn't invalidate any of the above points.

I totally disagree with the Petersen point, I dont know how you can say that

look at virtually all the overseas batsman all around the country, all thrown straight in as soon as they landed

some of scored double 100s, some a couple 100s and the rest 100s

there is barely a player who hasn't

International players are signed to make an immediate impact, I am not writing him off at all btw, but I dont accept that point